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08-11-2012, 11:49 AM
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Hummm, because my first post seems to have been lost in the shuffle...

I just don't understand the rationale for Dietz above Thrower in the list.

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Gally is our best rated talent with 8.5 since Price's 9.0
Actually, If i remember correctly, Price had a 8.5C rating after being drafted (the same rating as Galchenyuk). It's just after his 19 year-old season in which he was the wjhc MVP and the calder cup MVP that he got a 9.0C rating in HF.

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where is Brady Vail?

looking at the new depth chart listing,where is Brady Vail.
he is a solid pick should get a 7c rating at least.

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Here's my rankings for the rest of the Montreal Canadiens prospects who were not on the Top 20 list for the article. You can compare them to this board's rankings which you polled earlier.

After the Top 20 prospects:

21. (18) Alexander Avtsin, RW 7.0D
This will be his third year in the AHL and needs to bring the intensity and physical game to the rink each night. Avtsin has good offensive talent and skills, just doesn't seem to show the desire or any consistency. Gallagher being in the AHL with Hamilton could really spark players like him. He dropped off of the Top 20 list because Nattinen shows more of an all-round game.

22. (19) Brendon Nash, D, 6.5C
Missed the whole year with shoulder surgery and needs to show his form before the injury, is still there.

23. (NR) Mark Macmillan, LW, 7.0D
MacMillan could move up if he improves this season at UND on his good freshman year. He could get to play with Kristo on the first line and then we'll really see what he's has as far as talent goes. The lanky winger needs to get bigger to play his physical style of play and has three more years of development at UND to show more improvement.

24. (NR)* Brady Vail, C, 6.5C
Vail is a good shutdown centerman and could have some offensive upside. He needs to improve his skating, shot and patience with the puck. The big centerman should bring better offensive numbers this coming season in the OHL.

25. (20) Daniel Pribyl, C, 6.5C
He’s another big centerman. He's a bigger version similar to Plekanec with good offensive upside if he ever comes to North America. Others above him just showed more improvement and he will need to come to N.A in order to take the next step in his development.

26. (NR) Josiah Didier, D, 6.5C
Didier is similar to Nash and Pateryn, very defensive minded but less offensive so far at the NCAA level. A real physical, shot blocking defensive defenseman. He plays big minutes as a shutdown defender and on the penalty killing unit but has more offensive upside and will only get bigger and stronger. He needs to improve his puck moving and offensive game.

27. (NR) Gabriel Dumont, C, 6.5C
Dumont is similar type to Gallagher with less offensive potential but plays a more physical game. He doesn't back down but needs to improve his overall game this season to keep playing with the Canadiens’ organization.

28. (NR)* Erik Nystrom, LW, 6.5C
Nystrom could be higher up on this list and his rating. He has a chance of playing for Sweden in the WJC Tournament this year. He has good offensive upside and makes things happen almost every time he's on the ice. Hope to see him at the WJC to determine where he really fits but believe he might be higher up in the ratings.

29. (NR) Olivier Archambault, LW 6.5C dropped from 7.0D
He needs to bring a better attitude towards work ethic and using his teammates. He has to improve his defensive game or he might not receive an entry level contract by the end of this year. Just because he's Quebec- born doesn't mean he's automatically going to get the next step with the Canadiens. He will need to earn it because he won't make it on raw talent alone.

30. (21) Magnus Nygren, D, 6.5C
He needs a lot of overall defensive improvement but has an outstanding shot from the point and more of a puck moving, power play specialists at this point. If he can't improve his defensive game then he could be released similar to John Westin at the June 2013 deadline.

31. (NR) Ian Schultz, RW, 6.0D
Schultz improved a lot this past year but needs to take the next step. He will only get to the NHL with hard work, better skating, some offensive skills and playing a really physical game.

32. (NR) Colin Sullivan, D, 6.5C
Sullivan will start his freshman season at the NCAA level for Boston College and we will get a really good look at how good a skater and what kind of defensive game he possesses. The big defender will have four year of development at B.C so it's too early to tell where he really fits on this list.

33. (NR) Peter Delmas, G, 6.5C
He's better than Mayer and should be the Bulldogs back-up this season behind Desjardins. It takes time to develop a young goalie so he needs to learn behind a good veteran and up his skill level against better players in the AHL.

34. (NR) Philippe Lefebvre, LW, 6.5D
He's a good two-way player but need to bring more offense and more physicality to his game. If he doesn't improve out of training camp them he might find himself in the ECHL to improve his offensive game.

35. (NR) Alain Berger, RW, 6.5D from 7.0D
He seems like a younger Blunden but this was only his rookie season in the AHL so let's see if he progresses in his development as a possible power forward. Berger has a really good shot just doesn't use it enough and needs to widen his skating stance and get more knee flex over the toes of his skates. He's just too upright to generate any power, balance or speed which is normal for a tall man. Berger could see time in the ECHL to help regain his confidence in scoring.

36. (NR) Maxim Trunev, RW, 6.5D from 7.0D
He doesn't seem to be very interested in playing in N.A.as he signed a three year contract to play for Lokomotiv Yaroslavl of the KHL. He will get the opportunity to prove himself and improve his overall game on the new team being re-built after the tragic plane crash last September. It is highly unlikely that the Russian will be coming to the NHL any time soon.

37. (NR) Robert Mayer, G, 6.0C
Mayer has consistency problems and needs to put it together right out of training camp or could end up as the odd man out in Hamilton. He might see time in the ECHL.

38. (NR) Dustin Walsh, C, 6.0D
Walsh needs to stay healthy for the whole year and show his offensive game at the NCAA level. He could find himself without a contract after finishing school.

39. (NR) Michael Cichy, C, 6.0D
He has two years to show his offensive game that the Canadiens show when they drafted him. The transfer to WMU might help with Murray as his coach because he needs to improve his work ethic and prove that he made the right decision leaving UND.

40. (NR) Joe Stejskal, D, 5.5C
Stejskal struggled in his rookie AHL season and never show his physical defensive style. You can be a minus 15 rating if you don't have an offensive game and supposed to be a shutdown defensive defender. He could find himself in the ECHL or in the stands if he doesn't improve his overall game this season.
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08-11-2012, 12:23 PM
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Depends on how you look at it. Bozon is a sniper, natural goal scorer but isn't as physical or as hard working as Hudon. Bozon could end up being a one-trick pony, just a scorer who can't do other things then if he doesn't score at the pro-level, he doesn't have any other aspects to his game to play in the NHL. Hudon is good all-round player but it's his size that dropped his draft selection not his skill level.

How do you see them and why?
I've heard in scouting reports and from Timmins during his post draft interview that Bozon is gritty and able to play a mature two-way game, so I could see him become a third liner if he doesn't develop his offensive skills and he also got a pretty good size. He also have pretty good bloodline.

You have to remember that he was PPG in the WHL in his first year of north american hockey, that's something pretty good and way more impressive than the stats we saw from Hudon, I usually don't think highly from players that are stalling in their productions two consecutive years before their draft, if Hudon would have something like 75 pts last seson it would be different.

I don't see Hudon being able to become a fourth or third liner, he will be an offensive player in the NHL or he won't make it, while Bozon seem to be a guy that could become a bottom 9 forward and right now he has a pretty good upside to become a top 6 player aswell. The WHL is more defensive and physical than the Q, a way better league for development and way more impressive to produce in it.

If Hudon is a 7,5 D then I see Bozon as a 7,5 C.


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I've heard in scouting reports and from Timmins during his post draft interview that Bozon is gritty and able to play a mature two-way game, so I could see him become a third liner if he doesn't develop his offensive skills and he also got a pretty good size. He also have pretty good bloodline.

You have to remember that he was PPG in the WHL in his first year of north american hockey, that's something pretty good and way more impressive than the stats we saw from Hudon, I usually don't think highly from players that are stalling in their productions two consecutive years before their draft, if Hudon would have something like 75 pts last seson it would be different.

I don't see Hudon being able to become a fourth or third liner, he will be an offensive player in the NHL or he won't make it, while Bozon seem to be a guy that could become a bottom 9 forward and right now he has a pretty good upside to become a top 6 player aswell. The WHL is more defensive and physical than the Q, a way better league for development and way more impressive to produce in it.

If Hudon is a 7,5 D then I see Bozon as a 7,5 C.
Bozon could become a Carbonneau type of player with the ability to shut down the opposing teams players but feeding off of them and getting points while doing it sort of like how Carbo would do it. I remember Carbo having great games when he faced off against Mario Lemieux.

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Gabriel Dumont is ranked 27th, but the management actually likes him, he got to play 3 games this year.

I think his internal ranking is probably higher than 27th.
I love how Dumont plays but that's pretty close to his upside while the others above him have more offensive upside but do they have the work ethic and desire to obtain it. That's the question! Dumont was brought up with a lot of injuries and under Gauthier not Bergevin so unfortunately, he has to start all over.

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looking at the new depth chart listing,where is Brady Vail.
he is a solid pick should get a 7c rating at least.
If he produces more offense this season in the OHL then maybe but that's questionable. Why do you think he should be a 7.0C? What is your reasoning from what you saw of his play?

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If he produces more offense this season in the OHL then maybe but that's questionable. Why do you think he should be a 7.0C? What is your reasoning from what you saw of his play?
"Once you know a guy's willing to play that role and is effective, that's a big bonus. Some guys think they're skill guys and should be on the top two lines and won't play that (defensive) role. That's why they stay in the AHL."
"Defensively, Vail is an incredibly intelligent player. He uses strong positional play, and good insticts, to almost always be in the right spot in the defensive zone. He understands how to cut down on passing lanes, and to block shots."
Vail has average offensive skill and can make plays with the puck here and there but he doesn't show impressive puck possession ability in any aspect. He's a smart player who doesn't turn the puck over and has fine two-way instincts. In the pro game, he'll be a north-south type of player who won't just chuck pucks in but rather will make a one-touch pass or a little move to protect the puck before cycling it."
He seems to be a strong center prospect with a very strong hockey sense. That is something invaluable. You can't always teach that, but you can teach a player how to become stronger and more agile.

like I said, not a 7.5 or an 8, just a 7c but even at that at 7c he has talent, think of him as a upgrade over Maxim Lapierre.

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I've heard in scouting reports and from Timmins during his post draft interview that Bozon is gritty and able to play a mature two-way game, so I could see him become a third liner if he doesn't develop his offensive skills and he also got a pretty good size. He also have pretty good bloodline.

You have to remember that he was PPG in the WHL in his first year of north american hockey, that's something pretty good and way more impressive than the stats we saw from Hudon, I usually don't think highly from players that are stalling in their productions two consecutive years before their draft, if Hudon would have something like 75 pts last seson it would be different.

I don't see Hudon being able to become a fourth or third liner, he will be an offensive player in the NHL or he won't make it, while Bozon seem to be a guy that could become a bottom 9 forward and right now he has a pretty good upside to become a top 6 player aswell. The WHL is more defensive and physical than the Q, a way better league for development and way more impressive to produce in it.

If Hudon is a 7,5 D then I see Bozon as a 7,5 C.
Have you watch both players play in their respective leagues? You are right what you have read in the scouting reports and what Timmins said but Bozon is a perimeter player right now and needs to get stronger to play more inside to score goals in the NHL. He's a shooter but does have the abilities to become a good two-way player and isn't physical for his size. He has at least two years development in the WHL to change his game.

Hudon didn't put up good stats last season compared to the previous year because he played most of the time with injuries (wrist, shoulder) which affected his shooting abilities. He needs work on his skating speed and acceleration but has the better two-way game. He can kill penalties where Bozon doesn't. He plays the power play as does Bozon. Hudon is four months younger than Bozon and could be late maturing. Hudon will likely play for Canada at the WJC in January. Have you seen him play in the Russia vs Canada challenge this past Thursday & Friday. If you missed those games try to see the Monday & Tuesday games. Hudon has been one of the better players for Canada and is their number one penalty killer. He fell in the draft because he's small and needs to get faster and stockier to make the NHL as a small man.

Both of these players can play anywhere in the top-nine forwards in the NHL IF they're development continues at it's present pace. Both have diferent hockey smarts and abilities. They are good, but different components that you need on a team.

I can see Hudon not Bozon play a game similar to Carbonneau. Bozon has more of a Bossy, Hull like abilities to score with his quick release. Just watch how he scores his goals and from where.

You can't say with any certainty that the WHL develops better players than the QJMHL, they have just produced more for the NHL lately. They have very different mentalities in each league. QJMHL is way more offensive minded and wide open play where the WHL is way more physical and defensive. Apples to Oranges. It always depends on how the NHL teams are gearing to play. It seems to change to which type of team wins the Stanley Cup. Bruins, Kings are big, physical teams. Penguins, Wings more skilled and faster skating teams so the type players drafted change with the winners.

Thanks for commenting on the ranking and ratings!

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"Once you know a guy's willing to play that role and is effective, that's a big bonus. Some guys think they're skill guys and should be on the top two lines and won't play that (defensive) role. That's why they stay in the AHL."
"Defensively, Vail is an incredibly intelligent player. He uses strong positional play, and good insticts, to almost always be in the right spot in the defensive zone. He understands how to cut down on passing lanes, and to block shots."
Vail has average offensive skill and can make plays with the puck here and there but he doesn't show impressive puck possession ability in any aspect. He's a smart player who doesn't turn the puck over and has fine two-way instincts. In the pro game, he'll be a north-south type of player who won't just chuck pucks in but rather will make a one-touch pass or a little move to protect the puck before cycling it."
He seems to be a strong center prospect with a very strong hockey sense. That is something invaluable. You can't always teach that, but you can teach a player how to become stronger and more agile.

like I said, not a 7.5 or an 8, just a 7c but even at that at 7c he has talent, think of him as a upgrade over Maxim Lapierre.
Great scouting report! I will look at bumping him up by the next Top 20 list if he can improve on his offensive numbers. I believe you are right about his defensive ablilites and he's a player that can help you win games. He has at least two years of development to improve his overall game and get bigger.

Thanks for the opinions and comments!

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Actually, If i remember correctly, Price had a 8.5C rating after being drafted (the same rating as Galchenyuk). It's just after his 19 year-old season in which he was the wjhc MVP and the calder cup MVP that he got a 9.0C rating in HF.

Price was rated 8.0C back in august 2005, following the draft.
In 2008 he had a 9.0C, between his draft and this 9.0C the higher he got was 8.0B.

McDonaugh was also a 8.0C following his draft while Subban had a 7.0C and Pacioretty 7.5C.


Galchenyuk is the highest ranked prospect the Habs had since Hockey's future exist. No other players never received more than a 8.0 following the draft.

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Price was rated 8.0C back in august 2005, following the draft.
In 2008 he had a 9.0C, between his draft and this 9.0C the higher he got was 8.0B.

McDonaugh was also a 8.0C following his draft while Subban had a 7.0C and Pacioretty 7.5C.


Galchenyuk is the highest ranked prospect the Habs had since Hockey's future exist. No other players never received more than a 8.0 following the draft.
Thanks for the info mate.

I wasn't sure at all about Price's rating after he was drafted, the only thing I was sure is he hadn't a 9.0C rating the year following his draft and that he was in the 8's.

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Thanks for the info mate.

I wasn't sure at all about Price's rating after he was drafted, the only thing I was sure is he hadn't a 9.0C rating the year following his draft and that he was in the 8's.
Np!

If you want to see past rating for players, i suggest to use Internet Archive.
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Usefull when you want to see an old rating or a player that doesn't figure on the list because he has graduated.

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Np!

If you want to see past rating for players, i suggest to use Internet Archive.
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Usefull when you want to see an old rating or a player that doesn't figure on the list because he has graduated.
Cool!

Thank you!

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I want to but Avtsin has so much unrealized offensive potential compared to Dumont. I love Dumont attitude and passion just wish Avtsin could play with that kind of emotion but it's just not his character. The Russian could end up going to the KHL if it doesn't work out in N.A. I am not convinced that he will make here and that's why I dropped him off the Top 20 list.
I think Avtsin's ship has sailed. Last year there was plenty of playing time available for him to go and get, yet he never capitalized. Now, I can't really see him finding a regular spot on our team. Maybe some ECHL time would do him good, getting regular minutes, but I can't see him going for that. He'd probably go back to Russia if he had the choice between that and the ECHL.

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I think Avtsin's ship has sailed. Last year there was plenty of playing time available for him to go and get, yet he never capitalized. Now, I can't really see him finding a regular spot on our team. Maybe some ECHL time would do him good, getting regular minutes, but I can't see him going for that. He'd probably go back to Russia if he had the choice between that and the ECHL.
I agree it would be nice for him to go to the ECHL for a couple games, just get in a groove, and bring it back in the AHL. IF he wants... but well, he's still in NA, so he must really want it, he's still young.

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