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10-15-2012, 08:40 AM
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Beaulieu was getting first pairing minutes with St-Denis and first PP but no PK at all
Tinordi was playing on the second pairing with no PP and 1st PK with Pateryn and yes Ellis is still hurt.
How was Tinordi's game? I really hope he has a constant mean streak at the pro level, as we desperatly need that type of defensmen in Montreal.

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10-15-2012, 09:09 AM
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How was Tinordi's game? I really hope he has a constant mean streak at the pro level, as we desperatly need that type of defensmen in Montreal.
he had a good game on both side of the ice. Propably got 5-6 hits in the game but got caught on this ice with Corbin for the only 5 on 5 goal against. On PK he was very good with Pateryn.

On the first game i would rank the D like this

St-Denis

Pateryn
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Nash/Beaulieu

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10-15-2012, 09:47 AM
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he had a good game on both side of the ice. Propably got 5-6 hits in the game but got caught on this ice with Corbin for the only 5 on 5 goal against. On PK he was very good with Pateryn.

On the first game i would rank the D like this

St-Denis

Pateryn
Tinordi
Nash/Beaulieu

Corbin
When Ellis comes back I would not mind seeing a pairing of Tinordi-Pateryn. Opposing players better keep their heads up as both are good hitters.

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10-15-2012, 09:54 AM
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When Ellis comes back I would not mind seeing a pairing of Tinordi-Pateryn. Opposing players better keep their heads up as both are good hitters.
I want a PMD on every pairing so mine would be

Beaulieu-St-Denis
Tinordi-Ellis
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10-15-2012, 11:02 AM
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Every time I watch Beaulieu he makes a lot of mistakes and looks lost defensively. Have I been unlucky, or it's just that the guy is a long term project?

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10-15-2012, 12:06 PM
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Beaulieu is pretty typical for a skill first, puck moving defenseman who until this point was able to get by without making great decisions on the defensive end. He will always have an offense first mentality but it's pretty typical for guys like that to get exposed when they move up a level, there's no reason to worry yet.

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How was Tinordi's game? I really hope he has a constant mean streak at the pro level, as we desperatly need that type of defensmen in Montreal.
From what I've seen I think if you are expecting Tinordi to be a Pronger you will be disappointed, he's not soft the way say, Gill is, but he doesn't seem to be naturally nasty the way a Pronger, Stevens, Chelios or Potvin were.

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10-15-2012, 12:38 PM
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Beaulieu is pretty typical for a skill first, puck moving defenseman who until this point was able to get by without making great decisions on the defensive end. He will always have an offense first mentality but it's pretty typical for guys like that to get exposed when they move up a level, there's no reason to worry yet.
Agreed. Exactly similar to Subban. He was an offensive minded d-man in Jrs, now he gets to fine tune his defense in the pros for a bit. I don't expect Beaulieu to be a Hab for at least 2 years.

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10-15-2012, 01:46 PM
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Every time I watch Beaulieu he makes a lot of mistakes and looks lost defensively. Have I been unlucky, or it's just that the guy is a long term project?
Joe Morrow (Pittsburg) would had been a better, safer pick.

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Why is everyone going crazy over beaulieu? Let him be Offense first like a Mike Green. He can be the number D-man, while Subban will be the two way number one D and Tinordi will be the shutdown monster

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Joe Morrow (Pittsburg) would had been a better, safer pick.
Klefbom woulda been a sexier pick too.

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10-15-2012, 01:58 PM
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Why is everyone going crazy over beaulieu? Let him be Offense first like a Mike Green. He can be the number D-man, while Subban will be the two way number one D and Tinordi will be the shutdown monster
Beaulieu is nowhere near Mike Green offensively, Honestly I see him as a Derek Morris type of player tops.

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10-15-2012, 02:01 PM
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Joe Morrow (Pittsburg) would had been a better, safer pick.
That's hindsight.

I'm love Morrow and I'm not necessarily a fan of Beaulieu, but Beaulieu was the better prospect on draft day. Is he now? Maybe, maybe not.

Plus both of them still have a lot to prove, maybe Beaulieu could surprise us.

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A week between the first game and the 2nd?


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You have to take the highs with the lows with Beaulieu. He skates the puck up the ice better than any defenceman in our system besides Subban. Hopefully he's as willing to learn as Subban.

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I want a PMD on every pairing so mine would be

Beaulieu-St-Denis
Tinordi-Ellis
Nash-Pateryn
Who is the puckmover on your second unit, Ellis? Very solid all around defenseman but moving the puck isnt exactly his thing, he has a great shot but thats about all his offense is about, a bit like Souray.. From what I saw last night, Pateryn seems to be a better puckmover than Ellis..So I would move Pateryn on the second unit to play with Tinordi, Nash and Ellis as the third pairing..

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https://twitter.com/BGALLY17

Brendan Gallagher now on twitter according to Ellis and Holland.

At some point Galchenyuk and Gallagher will need to do some sort of competition to determine who is THE ''Gally''.

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Brendan Gallagher now on twitter according to Ellis and Holland.

At some point Galchenyuk and Gallagher will need to do some sort of competition to determine who is THE ''Gally''.
Gally and Lil'Gally

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Beaulieu is pretty typical for a skill first, puck moving defenseman who until this point was able to get by without making great decisions on the defensive end. He will always have an offense first mentality but it's pretty typical for guys like that to get exposed when they move up a level, there's no reason to worry yet.



From what I've seen I think if you are expecting Tinordi to be a Pronger you will be disappointed, he's not soft the way say, Gill is, but he doesn't seem to be naturally nasty the way a Pronger, Stevens, Chelios or Potvin were.
Yes, he might just need to learn to focus on what he is doing, instead
of just playing naturally. At least he'll be doing it in Hamilton, not the NHL,
as some teams good young PMDs.
But if he doesn't show noticeable improvement by year end I'm going
to start getting nervous.


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Agreed. Exactly similar to Subban. He was an offensive minded d-man in Jrs, now he gets to fine tune his defense in the pros for a bit. I don't expect Beaulieu to be a Hab for at least 2 years.
Subban had an unusually fast progression , and now looks like he
might be a defensive monster, regardless of what offense he contributes.
It's unlikely we'll see that sort of learning curve again.
But Beaulieu does have a lot of physical assets/abilities. He may not
need to be ideal defensively to be a good player. It might be enough if he
learns to be adaquate.
Of course, should lightning strike twice, that would be great. Even if,
as you say, it takes two years. All I'm saying (maybe poorly) is that we
shouldn't expect Subban like improvement. I don't think it happens often.

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10-15-2012, 05:02 PM
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I want a PMD on every pairing so mine would be

Beaulieu-St-Denis
Tinordi-Ellis
Nash-Pateryn
I would guess that at the AHL level St Denis may be the best 5on5
puck mover, at least at this point in the season. So, if Tinordi shows that
he can handle a defensive role at this early stage, I'd think Tinordi/St Denis
might be a good balanced shut-down pairing. And, after all, this D is going
to lack experience everywhere. Pateryn, being older, could be another choice,
but he and St Denis will likely play the same side.

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Who is the puckmover on your second unit, Ellis? Very solid all around defenseman but moving the puck isnt exactly his thing, he has a great shot but thats about all his offense is about, a bit like Souray.. From what I saw last night, Pateryn seems to be a better puckmover than Ellis..So I would move Pateryn on the second unit to play with Tinordi, Nash and Ellis as the third pairing..
What, Ellis is a really solid puck mover. Carries the puck up well, pretty good first past.

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Subban had an unusually fast progression , and now looks like he
might be a defensive monster, regardless of what offense he contributes.
It's unlikely we'll see that sort of learning curve again.
But Beaulieu does have a lot of physical assets/abilities. He may not
need to be ideal defensively to be a good player. It might be enough if he
learns to be adaquate.
Of course, should lightning strike twice, that would be great. Even if,
as you say, it takes two years. All I'm saying (maybe poorly) is that we
shouldn't expect Subban like improvement. I don't think it happens often.
I agree, Subban is the exception to the rule but the result of it is a lot of people forget how bad Subban's defensive decision making once was, he was a second round pick after all. Beaulieu is the archtypical overconfident PMD, he probably won't end up as good defensively as Subban but it's not something that can be ruled out. I don't always like his attitude but he has a high ceiling and it would be a mistake to write him off.

If anything being on an offensive powerhouse at Saint John hurt him last year, there was little incentive for Beaulieu to adjust.

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I agree, Subban is the exception to the rule but the result of it is a lot of people forget how bad Subban's defensive decision making once was, he was a second round pick after all. Beaulieu is the archtypical overconfident PMD, he probably won't end up as good defensively as Subban but it's not something that can be ruled out. I don't always like his attitude but he has a high ceiling and it would be a mistake to write him off.

If anything being on an offensive powerhouse at Saint John hurt him last year, there was little incentive for Beaulieu to adjust.
Agree with all of this. And far from writing him off, I think with only a few
mental adjustments, and the natural increase in strength he's likely to have in
the next 1-2 years, he'll almost certainly be an NHL player.
To me it's a question of, how close does he get to his ceiling, at least as
judged by his impressive skills.
And you may be right about this being a player that wasn't challenged enough,
because he played for a powerful team, or because his skills made junior a bit to easy.

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