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12-10-2012, 10:28 PM
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This lockout is terrible for Montreal since I was expecting them to finish in the basement once more. I hope they don't use the system they used after the last lockout.

Personally I think a "super draft" is the best option.

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a super draft would blow my mind thinking of all the possibilities

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12-10-2012, 11:04 PM
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The way the draft should go



1.Montreal
2.Edmonton
3.Calgary
4.Winnipeg
5.Toronto
6.Ottawa
7.Vancouver
8.Islanders
9.Chicago
10.Boston
11.New York Rangers
12.Minny
13.Detroit
14.Washington Capitals
15.Philly
16.Buffalo
17.Columbus
18.Colorado
19.Los Angeles
20.Nashville
21.St Louis
22.Dallas
23.San Jose
24.Anahiem
25.New Jersey
26.Carolina
27.Tampa Bay
28.Florida
29.Pittsburgh
30.Phoenix




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12-10-2012, 11:15 PM
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welcome to cap hell edmonton oilers
The Oilers can take on one more top 2 pick.

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The way the draft should go



1.Montreal
2.Edmonton
3.Calgary
4.Winnipeg
5.Toronto
6.Ottawa
7.Vancouver
8.Islanders
9.Chicago
10.Boston
11.New York Rangers
12.Minny
13.Detroit
14.Washington Capitals
15.Philly
16.Buffalo
17.Columbus
18.Colorado
19.Los Angeles
20.Nashville
21.St Louis
22.Dallas
23.San Jose
24.Anahiem
25.New Jersey
26.Carolina
27.Tampa Bay
28.Florida
29.Pittsburgh
30.Phoenix





I see what you did there.....


and I don't like it well certain parts I do and others I don't

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12-10-2012, 11:31 PM
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This lockout is terrible for Montreal since I was expecting them to finish in the basement once more. I hope they don't use the system they used after the last lockout.

Personally I think a "super draft" is the best option.
Same for the Sabres with all our injuries and depth at center. I really am hoping for a season!

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12-10-2012, 11:36 PM
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I think using the past couple of seasons to determine where a team picks is flawed. I mean the teams have already been "rewarded" for finishing low in the standings.

In my opinion they don't deserve anything.

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12-11-2012, 12:23 AM
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I just want a top 6 pick for the Habs. After that it starts to get a little dicier, but truth be told there are a few great forward prospects who likely will go middle first....

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12-11-2012, 12:26 AM
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I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks
This actually seems the most fair.

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12-11-2012, 01:22 AM
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The Oilers can take on one more top 2 pick.
yes but they will sacrifice depth for it.

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12-11-2012, 01:25 AM
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I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks
Holy crap. Something that makes sense. Am I on HFboards? Seriously? This over anything.

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12-11-2012, 01:34 AM
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I just want a top 6 pick for the Habs. After that it starts to get a little dicier, but truth be told there are a few great forward prospects who likely will go middle first....
I just did a mock draft and I gotta say there's gonna be some quality guys going as low as 25.

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12-15-2012, 06:40 AM
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This lockout is terrible for Montreal since I was expecting them to finish in the basement once more. I hope they don't use the system they used after the last lockout.

Personally I think a "super draft" is the best option.
What is a super draft?

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12-15-2012, 08:59 AM
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Perfect opportunity for the NHL to do what they should have done in 2005: cancel the draft and make the eligible age 19 next year. Basically reporting all drafts by a year going forward. 18 is just too young to properly evaluate players and makes the draft too much of a projection exercise.

Another acceptable option would be to change the draft eligibility birth date to match the calendar year, which is already used by all international hockey entities. So next year's draft would include all player born on and before Dec. 31 1995.

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12-15-2012, 09:33 PM
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"I hope they do the draft so that my team gets 1st overall." - everyone.

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12-16-2012, 09:26 PM
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I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks
This is way too logical to actually get implemented.

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12-16-2012, 11:28 PM
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This lockout is terrible for Montreal since I was expecting them to finish in the basement once more. I hope they don't use the system they used after the last lockout.

Personally I think a "super draft" is the best option.
what is a "super draft"?

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12-17-2012, 01:37 AM
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I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks
I like this model. Leafs are guaranteed a top 5 pick and it makes sense.

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12-17-2012, 03:29 AM
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With so much riding on drafted players these days, I think this is a perfect time to push back the draft age so that teams get and pay for a more finished product.

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I like this model. Leafs are guaranteed a top 5 pick and it makes sense.
As a Hawks fan, I hate it. A fringe playoff team is the 2nd best team in the league? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

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On the other hand--IF there is no CBA deal and the 'PA disclaimer of interest results in no more union and anti-trust lawsuits against the NHL--there willbe NO DRAFT--every team free to sign any free agent..and no contract limits in dollars or term on the kids teams would pursue...So it would be a free for all with the freest of all markets --so you would probably get 10 deep pockets owners going for the moon of some top 5 or 6 cream of the crop targets ,10 "poor" in the red clubs waiting only foir the leftover scraps and staying out of bidding on the top dogs ,and 10 middle pof the pack financially clubs targetting more the 7-20 rated guys to fit a middle kind of budget allocation for new blood infusion to their pipeline...

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I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks
This would be the best idea. Giving the worst teams in previous years that havent been rewarded with the top picks the chance to add the top players. Not some stupid lottery like they did last time.

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I dont like it because it gives teams like St. Louis, Minnesota and Buffalo an equal chance with Columbus and a better chance than NYI at picking first overall.

Here's my idea. I don't really want to see it implemented, just something I thought of:

The draft order is done based on the average number of points for each team over the past 3 seasons. Points are added to these averages based on any of these events having occurred over the same time span:

- 5 points are added for a playoff appearance
- 5 points are added for each playoff round win
- 10 points are added for each 1st overall pick
- 10 points are added for each Stanley Cup won
- Ties will be broken by having the team which has won the furthest round of the playoffs (ie. Conference finals vs. Conference quarter-finals) in the described time span have higher placement; if equal it will decided by chance

Therefore the modified point scores are:

Boston Bruins - 158 points
Chicago Blackhawks - 154 points
Los Angeles Kings - 143 points
Vancouver Canucks - 143 points
San Jose Sharks - 143 points
Philadelphia Flyers -139 points
Washington Capitals - 132 points
Detroit Red Wings - 130 points
New Jersey Devils - 123 points
Nashville Predators - 123 points
Phoenix Coyotes - 121 points
Pittsburgh Penguins - 119 points
New York Rangers - 111 points
Montreal Canadiens -109 points
St. Louis Blues - 105 points
Buffalo Sabres - 104 points
Edmonton Oilers - 101 points
Tampa Bay Lightning - 98 points
Ottawa Senators - 96 points
Anaheim Ducks - 95 points
Calgary Flames - 93 points
Dallas Stars - 89 points
Florida Panthers - 89 points
Carolina Hurricanes -88 points
Colorado Avalanche - 85 points
Minnesota Wild - 85 points
Winnipeg Jets - 81 points
Toronto Maple Leafs -80 points
Columbus Blue Jackets - 79 points
New York Islanders - 73 points

The order is then drawn in pools of five such that teams with lower point totals get earlier selections, with each team in the pool receieving even odds; ie. NYI, CLB, TOR, WPG and MIN will be guaranteed the first 5 picks in random order; COL, CAR, FLA, DAL, CGY will have picks 6-10 in random order, etc.

I feel like this model is the best for accurately portraying how good each team has been on whole over the past 3 years, with an emphasis put on playoff success, with the teams which have won the past 3 stanley cups and the past 3 president's trophies all finishing in the top 5 and having the lowest picks, and the teams which have had the lowest point totals without having a 1st overall pick having the highest picks
I understand with what you are trying to say here, but unfortunately, it is impossible to know empirically how well a team would perform in a given season.

Luck is really the best way, for while projects/models are nice, when they become too specific I find that they are always wrong.

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I understand with what you are trying to say here, but unfortunately, it is impossible to know empirically how well a team would perform in a given season.

Luck is really the best way, for while projects/models are nice, when they become too specific I find that they are always wrong.
It's not a projection -- it's a retrospective analysis.

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Draft Order?

Here's something I'm curious about

Because of the lockout how do they determine the draft order for the next summer?

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