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Connauton: Confident about his defensive game

Very good to hear his self evaluation; if he makes the team, he brings big possibilities for the mix of secondary scoring from 3rd and 4th lines; exciting player: Size, speed,shot, ability to push the offense.

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You know he's a defender, right?

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You know he's a defender, right?
So you think he's going to be paired up with the 1st and 2nd lines?

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You know he's a defender, right?
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I think he's got him confused with Cannata...

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So you think he's going to be paired up with the 1st and 2nd lines?
I'd be pretty shocked if the Canucks would give a rookie with well-established defensive deficiencies the unbelievably low O-Zone start % that the Canucks' 3rd and 4th lines see. He'd get absolutely slaughtered.

Since Gillis has been speaking about him in comparison to Gragnani, it would make sense that he'd be seeing something like Gragnani's mid-60% o-zone starts rather than the 4th line's mid-20s.

So either he'd be starting basically all his shifts on the fly once the team dug out of the d-zone, or he'd be seeing a lot of shifts with the first and second lines.

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Are people in this thread suggesting that a coach almost always starts his third pairing defensemen with his crappiest forwards? If anything this is generally avoided.

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Are people in this thread suggesting that a coach almost always starts his third pairing defensemen with his crappiest forwards? If anything this is generally avoided.
They usually pull their goalie at the same time, too.

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Most NHL teams don't play 5 man units except on the PP and for key offensive zone starts.

I'm happy to hear that Connauton is developing the defensive side of his game. Our defense is pretty deep, so he is going to have to make quite a showing to unseat one of the incumbents, particularly as an offensive defenseman.

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So you think he's going to be paired up with the 1st and 2nd lines?
I thought about the possibility that that's what he meant. Which is why I didn't say "He's a defender".

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You know he's a defender, right?
3rd pairing D often play when the 3rd and 4th lines are on the ice.

cute though....didn't think I have to explain.

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Are people in this thread suggesting that a coach almost always starts his third pairing defensemen with his crappiest forwards? If anything this is generally avoided.
maybe AV will go 100% in the opposite direction after always saddling the sedins with rome? i have no idea what that guy is ever thinking.

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I'm glad he's confident in his defensive game...


I'm sure not.

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Hopefully he doesnt step out of bounds...

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Most NHL teams don't play 5 man units except on the PP and for key offensive zone starts.

I'm happy to hear that Connauton is developing the defensive side of his game. Our defense is pretty deep, so he is going to have to make quite a showing to unseat one of the incumbents, particularly as an offensive defenseman.
Why particularly as an offensive defenseman? We've got an Ehrhoff-sized hole for him.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Connauton - Tanev

Could be neat (and help us cap-wise), if Connauton plays really really well. He'd be playing more of a defined role on this team than Ballard if he makes it, considering that our only sure-fire powerplay guys are Edler and probably Garrison.

You'd feel pretty bad for Ballard though, right when Rome was out of the picture.

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Don't see him ever making it as a regular. His offensive skill is ridiculously exaggerated. He's a PP specialist with a great shot, he's a worse puck-mover than anyone else on our team (including Garrison) and he's not a PP QB. Corrado is already a significantly more reliable defenseman than Connauton and his shot is actualy as hard or harder (not as accurate).

IMO the organization is hyping him up to increase his trade value. I just don't see any room for him on this team.

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Don't see him ever making it as a regular. His offensive skill is ridiculously exaggerated. He's a PP specialist with a great shot, he's a worse puck-mover than anyone else on our team (including Garrison) and he's not a PP QB. Corrado is already a significantly more reliable defenseman than Connauton and his shot is actualy as hard or harder (not as accurate).

IMO the organization is hyping him up to increase his trade value. I just don't see any room for him on this team.
Interestig post.

I forget if you watched the Wolves a fair amount or not...but it sounds like you are basing this on direct observation...is that correct?

A good first pass is one of the more important attributes of a D-man because it implies so much more...like having good on ice vision, being able to make quick, accurate reads and manageable panic threshold.

If he lacks this, it is unlikely he could stick.

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I've seen him play and while eventually he may make it to the NHL and even get in a few games with the Canucks, he's just not the ideal bottom pairing defensmen and I don't see great top 4 potential. He could be a decent top for option for bottom feeding teams in the future.

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Why particularly as an offensive defenseman? We've got an Ehrhoff-sized hole for him.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Connauton - Tanev

Could be neat (and help us cap-wise), if Connauton plays really really well. He'd be playing more of a defined role on this team than Ballard if he makes it, considering that our only sure-fire powerplay guys are Edler and probably Garrison.

You'd feel pretty bad for Ballard though, right when Rome was out of the picture.
At least Ballard can block shots. I'm not sold on Kev being ready defensively yet (Yes, I'd rather put Keith freaking Ballard out)

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Don't see him ever making it as a regular. His offensive skill is ridiculously exaggerated. He's a PP specialist with a great shot, he's a worse puck-mover than anyone else on our team (including Garrison) and he's not a PP QB. Corrado is already a significantly more reliable defenseman than Connauton and his shot is actualy as hard or harder (not as accurate).

IMO the organization is hyping him up to increase his trade value. I just don't see any room for him on this team.
Luongo, Raymond and Connauton for Bjugstad, Kulikov and Matthias

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Why particularly as an offensive defenseman? We've got an Ehrhoff-sized hole for him.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Connauton - Tanev

Could be neat (and help us cap-wise), if Connauton plays really really well. He'd be playing more of a defined role on this team than Ballard if he makes it, considering that our only sure-fire powerplay guys are Edler and probably Garrison.

You'd feel pretty bad for Ballard though, right when Rome was out of the picture.
Because AV wants low risk guys on the bottom pairing. The bottom pair is expected to eat up 15 minutes per game without making mistakes. That is, in part, why Ballard has struggled here. He's an excellent skater and like to skate the puck out of the zone. We've seen him make some brilliant rushes, but it means he sometimes over-handles the puck.

Tanev fits in because he's low risk. He rarely puts himself in a position where the slightest mistake leads to a scoring chance. Based on his skills, I would not be surprised if Tanev incrementally improved his offense over the next few years.

To gain AVs confindence Connauton has to be pretty much faultless defensively or look for an offensive role due to injury.

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Interestig post.

I forget if you watched the Wolves a fair amount or not...but it sounds like you are basing this on direct observation...is that correct?

A good first pass is one of the more important attributes of a D-man because it implies so much more...like having good on ice vision, being able to make quick, accurate reads and manageable panic threshold.

If he lacks this, it is unlikely he could stick.
Saw somewhere between 15-20 games last season. thefeebster watched even more games and has posted similar stuff to what I have — as far as I remember, he had Corrado and McNally above Connauton on the depth chart.

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Don't see him ever making it as a regular. His offensive skill is ridiculously exaggerated. He's a PP specialist with a great shot, he's a worse puck-mover than anyone else on our team (including Garrison) and he's not a PP QB. Corrado is already a significantly more reliable defenseman than Connauton and his shot is actualy as hard or harder (not as accurate).

IMO the organization is hyping him up to increase his trade value. I just don't see any room for him on this team.
That's an interesting thought, and i think the description of Connauton's game is right on. But it's hard to see how talking 'hype' is really likely to improve his trade stock significantly. Any reasonably well run organization is going to trust their own scouts over some hype comments from the Canucks organization. As well, he's at that stage where i think teams are going to want to see him on NHL ice before they really offer value for him. And that's a worry, as he could very well end up exposed and showing his flaws quite badly in that situation. I suppose having him included in a package deal with someone like Luongo could work, but as a standalone, he's not really the type of prospect that teams like to deal for.

Perhaps if they're planning to play him in a sheltered role in NHL minutes (or preseason minutes), there's a chance to really pump up his trade value...as they did with Hodgson. But sheltering a blueliner is even more difficult, and we've seen how that works with MAG. Not so effective.

I agree that there doesn't look to be a long-term fit for Connauton in Vancouver, but outside of inclusion in a package deal, i don't necessarily see them boosting his trade value in anticipation of a deal at this point. Kind of a strange situation.

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Why particularly as an offensive defenseman? We've got an Ehrhoff-sized hole for him.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Connauton - Tanev

Could be neat (and help us cap-wise), if Connauton plays really really well. He'd be playing more of a defined role on this team than Ballard if he makes it, considering that our only sure-fire powerplay guys are Edler and probably Garrison.

You'd feel pretty bad for Ballard though, right when Rome was out of the picture.
The big problem with the bolded, is that Connauton does not appear to be an 'Ehrhoff-type' defenceman. He's more of a supersized M.A.Bergeron type. And i don't think that's really a hole that we have on our bottom-pairing.

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In the article, he mentioned his game is night and day from last year, I'd agree, but i think thats a testament for how bad he played with the Moose. But that said, he has improved, but I am not sure if it is enough to inspire the amount of confidence MG is giving him. I'll be honest, the "hype to raise his trade value" idea did cross my mind over the past 2 months.

MG said in his recent interview that a great first pass is what separates an average D man to a great one. Well this is one point where Connauton is lacking and I think he knows it and plays like he knows it. What i mean by that is that he has a tendency/reflex to defer the responsibility of breaking out or moving the puck up ice by passing it to his partner D man to pass it up to the forwards. He did this frequently when paired with Tanev and continued to do so with Baumer. He is not a puck moving D, he is a puck rusher. What makes Ehrhoff special was that he could do both aspects very well in addition to his shot.

Keeping with analyzing his offensive game, Connauton is not a PP QB. He is completely a trigger man who generates offense with his shot, via defelections/rebounds. Its his money maker, as it is hard and very accurate. He has a high percentage of getting it on net and he doesn't hesitate in letting it go. He pinches well most of the time and is very often on the rush with forwards. But something I think is a concern is the amount of time he was fed on the PP and its correlating struggles throughout the year.

Defensively, what everyone wants to know about, Connauton did make big strides here but can still use some cleaning up here. One thing that helped him was his improved skating in transitions and backwards, at one point, there was a play where i said to myself, Connauton of last season wouldn't have made it to that loose puck. He defends primarily by getting his stick in the passing lanes and being in position. MacT made him simplify his game, just getting the puck off the boards or out of the zone. He has made some really nice stick checks throughout the season, but what he continues to struggle with is containment in his own zone. He is a feisty kind of defender with a Bieksa kind of arrogance to him. He pushes, shoves, and whacks players from behind but he doesn't necessarily win those board battles consistently and then begins chasing the puck. He and Baumer were often hemmed in their own zone and often had troubles containing the front of the net. Sometimes loses focus and scrambles between behind the net and front of the net coverage (this is the point when you know something bad is about to happen). Connauton was used on the PK, never on the 1st unit. He was on and off the 2nd unit depending on who else was playing or who was in the box.

I don't see a top 4 guy here yet. Maybe a #6 that can help you out on the 2nd PP and not hurt you too much at ES. But that said, he played his best with Tanev, so maybe he can carry Connauton a bit further? I'd like to hear Ocratown's assessment of Connauton. Maybe I'm being a bit too harsh.

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