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08-11-2012, 05:21 PM
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Pittsburgh Penguins - By The Numbers Debate - #20

Had a simple idea pop up in my head to pass time during the offseason - let's debate who the best player is by what number they wore on the uniform for the Pens. I'll take a couple that have a lot of good names and let the debate begin. This will be from the all-time Penguins roster. Should be fun to go back and re-read some names and their careers. Will also be very fun to debate who was the best.

Key note: Debate based on what this player did for Pittsburgh. Not for other teams.


First Number up: #20

Players who wore #20 for the Penguins (source: PittsburghHockey.net)

Ab McDonald, Bob Woytowich, Dean Prentice, Robin Burns, John Stewart, George Swarbrick, Steve Cardwell, Yvon Labre, Jacques Cossette, Yves Bergeron, Pete Mahovlich, Paul Marshall, Paul Gardner, Gary Rissling, Moe Mantha, Dave Hunter, Dave Hannan, Jamie Leach, Jeff Daniels, Luc Robitaille, Bryan Smolinski, Greg Johnson, Roman Oksiuta, Robert Lang, Mathias Johansson, Mike Eastwood, Colby Armstrong, Janne Pesonen



Give me your top player or even your top 5 if you feel up to it.

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08-11-2012, 05:44 PM
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Seriously? Pesonen AINEC. The dude wore a freaking golden helmet. Come on son.


(Robitaille or Lang)

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08-11-2012, 05:50 PM
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Of the players I've seen on that list, you really can't argue against Robitaille. Not even Lang came close.

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Gardner and Lang for me.

Robitaille was great, but his stay was too short.

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are we rating by how they were while with the penguins or at their best? And should longevity matter or is one great year better than 5 really good years? Like, should Hossa be rated above Dupuis? After the prospect rankings I am really craving a rubric

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08-11-2012, 06:19 PM
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Just as Penguins.

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Going with Lang for 20

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08-11-2012, 07:04 PM
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Lang

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Lang since Robataille was only a Penguin for one season.

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Lang but it's close with Robitaille's breakaway in Sudden Death

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08-11-2012, 09:03 PM
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Was going to say Robitaille but since we're talking strictly Penguins career, Lang would be my guy.

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Who didn't love Bobby Lang? Honorable mention to Smolinski.

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Robitaille had such a short stint here. Lang's best years were here.

I would go...

1.Lang
2.Armstrong
3.Smolinski
4.Robitaille
5.Eastwood

I can't say anything about the players from the 80's. Before my time.

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Lang wins this hands down. That Straka-Lang-Kovy line was really fun to watch.

Was it Hannan or Dave McLlwain that said "he's dead" when David Shaw chopped down Lemieux? I've always hated the Rangers but it didn't turn nut tugging, face red rage until 10-30-88.

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I can't put Smolinski in my top 5 because how little he was around Pittsburgh. I was shocked to see he was only here one season. I remember that trade and remember the hype.... yet I looked today and it was only for one year.

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Lang.

Robitaille was the 'best' Penguin to ever wear the number...but the dude was here for one strike-shortened season. His most memorable moment as a Penguin came in Sudden Death, for crying out loud. Lang's best season as a Penguin was better than Robitaille's one season, and he was a bigger part of the team for far longer.

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Lang is the best Penguins to wear #20.

Robitaille wasn't anything special with the Penguins and was here for only one season. Obviously he's the best player to wear that number if we'd talk about their whole careers and not just time with the Penguins.

He was before my time but Moe Mantha deserves a mention here too. 51 and 67 point season as a D-man is pretty impressive. Pete Mahovlich and Paul Gardner had some pretty solid seasons as a Penguins as well.

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Robitaille was the 'best' Penguin to ever wear the number...but the dude was here for one strike-shortened season. His most memorable moment as a Penguin came in Sudden Death, for crying out loud. Lang's best season as a Penguin was better than Robitaille's one season, and he was a bigger part of the team for far longer.
While I agree that Lang did more for the Pens, Robitaille scored the key goal in the 7 game series vs. the Caps in '95:



Pens were down 1 games to 3 in the series, and were coming off two consecutive blowout losses. This was the 6-5 OT winner in game 5, and it turned the series around. We won the remaining games 7-1 and 3-0. (It's also a historical moment because Leroux actually did something with the puck.)

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(It's also a historical moment because Leroux actually did something with the puck.)
I'll always remember that as 'The Francois Leroux Goal' even though Robitaille actually scored it.

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Paul Gardner, followed closely by Lang. But Gardner was a star for the Pens in a 3 year span, and often their best player during it. Lang was great and very talented, but considering the talent around him, was a complimentary piece. Slight edge to Gardner for me.

I don't think the older guys are going to fare well in these votes. Understandable as people aren't going to vote for those players they are unaware of, unless they had overwhelming stats.

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Paul Gardner, followed closely by Lang. But Gardner was a star for the Pens in a 3 year span, and often their best player during it. Lang was great and very talented, but considering the talent around him, was a complimentary piece. Slight edge to Gardner for me.

I don't think the older guys are going to fare well in these votes. Understandable as people aren't going to vote for those players they are unaware of, unless they had overwhelming stats.
You're definitely right. I will most likely not vote for anyone who was gone before I was born. My Penguins knowledge starts in the 90's and even then I was 5 and 6 for the first two cups.

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08-12-2012, 01:09 PM
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Career wise, I would have to put Lang, but talent wise I'd say Lucky Luke

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Have to go with Clubber Lang if we're basing this solely on what they did as a Penguin.

Next would be Moe Mantha for being the OG Pens player hailing from the Mistake by the Lake. Then Robitaille for the reasons already listed. Then Mike Eastwood. Gotta give him credit for being a Penguin when no one else wanted to. As garbage as we were in 2004, I have a soft spot for that team.

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Gardner led the league in powerplay goals one year, and scored 98 goals over 30 seasons. I think he trumps Lang.

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