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08-11-2012, 02:32 PM
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Superstars? No not even close
I don't think I've seen anyone talk of superstars here. There's not even enough superstars for the 30 teams.

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Pacioretty would play on the first line of roughly 90% of the NHL clubs. Let's just pick the Kings (since they just won the Stanley Cup) as your first LW, who do you pick? Simon Gagné, Dustin Penner or Max Pacioretty?

Albeit a dying star, Simon Gagné is still a star and he'd still be tossed aside in favour of Pacioretty.
Pacioretty is a good young player, but he ain't no star, not right now

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I don't think I've seen anyone talk of superstars here. There's not even enough superstars for the 30 teams.
Pretty much, Penguins are lucky they have 2

Price is a star, Subban has the potential and Galchenyuk would be the other. Patches would need another couple of seasons like he just had

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Pretty sure price is a star...out of 4 years(it's 5 but there was olympics one year) price has been named to the all star game 3 times. Granted, fans voted him in but he was clearly our star. I think Price will finish top 10 in goalie Wins by the end of his career. He's currently 128th and a mere 40 win season(not spectacular if we're a playoff team) brings him top 100. He's got to make 277 wins(likely more as goalies will win during his career) in his entire career to crack the top 10 so odds are, barring extreme bust he has the potential to be there. Granted, I'm projecting but 277 wins in the new NHL isn't much.

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Which exactly serves my point. Max Pacioretty has shown a better development then Taylor Hall who seems to have developped a talent to become injured more then anything else.
I'm a big Pacioretty fan, but i think you're out to lunch. Only using playing card stats, Hall put up 53 points at 19 years old on a terrible team. At 20 years old, Pacioretty scored 11 points in 34 games. If you start looking at the advanced stats, or evaluate him by eye, Hall is even more of a beast.

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08-11-2012, 02:42 PM
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I'm a big Pacioretty fan, but i think you're out to lunch. Only using playing card stats, Hall put up 53 points at 19 years old on a terrible team. At 20 years old, Pacioretty scored 11 points in 34 games. If you start looking at the advanced stats, or evaluate him by eye, Hall is even more of a beast.
Put Taylor Hall with the Canadiens back in 2009-10 (just to level the field) and I don't think you have a 53 points, 19 years old player either.

Put Pacioretty with the Oilers, last season at 19 year old and I wouldn't be surprised to see him clinch 50 points.

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pacioretty and subban will be stars. markov is a star if healthy

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Pacioretty would play on the first line of roughly 90% of the NHL clubs. Let's just pick the Kings (since they just won the Stanley Cup) as your first LW, who do you pick? Simon Gagné, Dustin Penner or Max Pacioretty?

Albeit a dying star, Simon Gagné is still a star and he'd still be tossed aside in favour of Pacioretty.
This proves that your definition of a star is quite low.

Ovechkin
Nash
Gaborik
heatley
Vanek
Semin
Kovalchuk
Sedin
Parise
Zetterberg
Cammalleri
Eriksson
Hartnell
Morrow
Lucic
Havlat
Booth
Ladd
Elias

Thes 19 players who are considered "star players" (not superstars) who are proven and Pacioretty is not. Like I said he will be better than at least half on this list IMO but to just say he is a star now is foolish.

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08-11-2012, 02:48 PM
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There are a lot of good, young players but no stars. I think Carey and PK are close...Max as well...but no.

The last true star on the Habs was Patrick Roy.

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08-11-2012, 02:49 PM
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Ovechkin, Nash, Gaborik, Zetterberg and Kovalchuk are superstars.

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08-11-2012, 02:50 PM
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To me, Price isn't our best player. Subban is.

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08-11-2012, 03:00 PM
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Price has 3 all star games already, he is a star, and he is still getting better.

Other Stars-in-the-making:

Subban
Pacioretty
Galchenyuk

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08-11-2012, 03:08 PM
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To me, Price isn't our best player. Subban is.
Imo :

Most complete athlete : Carey Price (unless Markov comes back in top shape)
Most complete forward : Tomas Plekanec
Most reliable defenseman : Josh Gorges (unless Markov comes back in top shape)
Biggest X-Factor : P.K. Subban

I think that Subban can potentially compete for the most reliable defenseman title, he just needs to gain maturity and experience.

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08-11-2012, 03:12 PM
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Carey Price is a superstar, Subban is another one in the making.. Galchenyuk has star potential as well, maybe superstar we will see.. Pac and Cole are pretty solid top 6 fowards but you cant call them star or superstar..

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This proves that your definition of a star is quite low.

Ovechkin
Nash
Gaborik
heatley
Vanek
Semin
Kovalchuk
Sedin
Parise
Zetterberg
Cammalleri
Eriksson
Hartnell
Morrow
Lucic
Havlat
Booth
Ladd
Elias

Thes 19 players who are considered "star players" (not superstars) who are proven and Pacioretty is not. Like I said he will be better than at least half on this list IMO but to just say he is a star now is foolish.
Ovechkin not a superstar? Are you nuts? He had 4 season of more than 100 points (like crosby and 1 more than Malkin) and thats not superstar? kovalchuk also is a superstar but not as great as the others, same thing for the sedins

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This board is awful stupid this time of year.

We need hockey news and we need it fast. Geez Louise.

Yes, no? Who cares. It seems everyone has a different definition of what a "star" player is. To me, you have to be elite at your position.

So we don't have any stars. Price, subban and patches all have showed flashes of star power. They aren't established enough to be considered elite at they're positions. Maybe Price. He was not elite last season though.

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PK Subban is a bonafide star, IMHO.
Come on. PK has potential but saying he is a bonafide star is stretching it a bit. Patches and Cole are much higher on that list right now.


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08-11-2012, 03:55 PM
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There are a lot of good, young players but no stars. I think Carey and PK are close...Max as well...but no.

The last true star on the Habs was Patrick Roy.
I agree with the Roy statement. The others not so much.

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Superstars? No not even close
Now that wasn't the question, was it?

Stars, not superstars.

And yes, stars we have 3 (Markov Price and Subban) with a few more on the cusp

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I'd say Price is there. Subban isn't. Yet.

Pacioretty could develop into one if he continues at the pace he's on.

Gorges may not be a star, if ever, but he is definitely an unsung hero.

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I'd say Price is there. Subban isn't. Yet.

Pacioretty could develop into one if he continues at the pace he's on.

Gorges may not be a star, if ever, but he is definitely an unsung hero.
Agreed on all accounts.

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So finally how many levels of stardom would ya'll have?

Player - Brian Elliot
Star - Carey Price
Superstar - Pekka Rinne
Elite - Martin Brodeur (in his prime)

For winger(s):

Player - Pacioretty
Star - Eriksson
Superstar - P. Kane
Elite - Ovechkin

For defense:

Player - Subban
Star - Edler
Superstar - Letang
Elite - Chara

The only argument I could find is maybe Pacioretty does deserve to be labeled as a "star" .

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So finally how many levels of stardom would ya'll have?

Player - Brian Elliot
Star - Carey Price
Superstar - Pekka Rinne
Elite - Martin Brodeur (in his prime)

For winger(s):

Player - Pacioretty
Star - Eriksson
Superstar - P. Kane
Elite - Ovechkin

For defense:

Player - Subban
Star - Edler
Superstar - Letang
Elite - Chara

The only argument I could find is maybe Pacioretty does deserve to be labeled as a "star" .


I consider superstar to be a higher rating than elite.

Superstar for me means the five, six or seven best players in the league: Ovechkin, Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin, Chara, maybe Weber.

Elite simply means top-10 at your position.

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08-11-2012, 05:29 PM
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Ovechkin, Nash, Gaborik, Zetterberg and Kovalchuk are superstars.
Nash is not a superstar. Career average of 66pts, he's nothing more than an overrated PF. He is a great forward, but far from being a superstar.

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Armstrong is a star.



Talbot is a superstar.

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