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08-12-2012, 08:33 PM
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The Armchair GM Thread - Part XXIX

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If the Flyers are willing to give up Read for Ballard, you don't think twice about pulling the trigger on that deal.

Ballard can easily replaced by someone like Hannan at a quarter of the cap hit on a 1 year deal.
I disagree, granted Read is a talented but undersized forward don't we already have have enough of those (we haven't even given Schroeder a shot yet) why trade what is becoming a more and more valuable Dman for a player we don't need

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Kassian on the 2nd line? Ouch.
Hey didn't Semenko play with Gretz and Kurri lol??? I'd try Kassian on the 2nd line if we don't get Doan just to see if he can create room for Kesler. Wouldn't hurt to try him there for 20 games to see what we have in him.

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I disagree, granted Read is a talented but undersized forward don't we already have have enough of those (we haven't even given Schroeder a shot yet) why trade what is becoming a more and more valuable Dman for a player we don't need
I think Read has decent defensive ability and some skill. With Higgins and Hansen as primary wingers, I think its a nice balance.

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I disagree, granted Read is a talented but undersized forward don't we already have have enough of those (we haven't even given Schroeder a shot yet) why trade what is becoming a more and more valuable Dman for a player we don't need
Read is one of the Flyers top PKers, along with Couturier and Talbot. Size isn't an issue when a player is capable defensively and has the offensive skills on top of that.

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Hey didn't Semenko play with Gretz and Kurri lol??? I'd try Kassian on the 2nd line if we don't get Doan just to see if he can create room for Kesler. Wouldn't hurt to try him there for 20 games to see what we have in him.
There's no reason to think Kassian's a 3rd line caliber player yet, let alone throw him in the top six.

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There's no reason to think Kassian's a 3rd line caliber player yet, let alone throw him in the top six.
Sort of like Hodgson a year ago?

Kassian showed a helluva a lot more at the NHL level than Hodgson who was gifted a 3rd line job out of camp last year, probably would have had a top 6 spot if he could skate better or adapt to the wing.


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Sort of like Hodgson a year ago?

Kassian showed a helluva a lot more at the NHL than Hodgson who was gifted a 3rd line job out of camp last year, probably would have had a top 6 spot if he could skate better or adapt to thing wing.
I'm hurting my own case, but I thought Hodgson DID start the year on the top six, on account of the Kesler injury.

The difference in my mind, is our center depth behind both Henrik/Kesler in comparison to our wing depth behind Daniel by himself.

Giving Hodgson the second line center spot when Kesler was down is basically saying that he fit better and was likely to be more effective in offensive situations than Lapierre or Malhotra.

Giving Kassian the second line winger spot whe Kesler is down (in this case, that has no effect), is basically saying that Kassian is already a more effective offensive player than: Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre, Schroeder, Malhotra. He hasn't really shown too many flashes yet even, IMO, and has performed like a 4th liner to this point from the limited time that we've seen from him.

By the time he was moved to the 3rd line, he had already proven himself to be a 3rd-line caliber player by contributing on the second line.

Listen, if Kassian plays great to start the season, by all means, throw him on the second line.

On top of that, considering that we probably have no choice but to play Schroeder in the Hodgson role to start the year, instead of

Higgins - Hodgson - Samuelsson

to start the year, you're looking at playing TWO raw prospects there in

Kassian - Schroeder - Booth

In normal cases, I wouldn't try Hodgson with the second line until he started to produce at a 30+ point pace on the 3rd line either, just the same as I wouldn't try Kassian with Kesler/Booth until he takes the next step offensively to BECOME a 30 point player.


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I wouldn't be blown away if Kassian did some time on the second line. We'll have to see if he can take the next step to just be a regular. And if that happens he may get chances to play with Kesler and Booth as well. With a long season, inuries and such he could get time with the big boys. Should be an interesting training camp.

And if there is a lock out, Kassian should get primetme in the AHL and that should help as well.

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I'm hurting my own case, but I thought Hodgson DID start the year on the top six, on account of the Kesler injury.

The difference in my mind, is our center depth behind both Henrik/Kesler in comparison to our wing depth behind Daniel by himself.

Giving Hodgson the second line center spot when Kesler was down is basically saying that he fit better and was likely to be more effective in offensive situations than Lapierre or Malhotra.

Giving Kassian the second line winger spot whe Kesler is down (in this case, that has no effect), is basically saying that Kassian is already a more effective offensive player than: Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre, Schroeder, Malhotra. He hasn't really shown too many flashes yet even, IMO, and has performed like a 4th liner to this point from the limited time that we've seen from him.

By the time he was moved to the 3rd line, he had already proven himself to be a 3rd-line caliber player by contributing on the second line.

Listen, if Kassian plays great to start the season, by all means, throw him on the second line.

On top of that, considering that we probably have no choice but to play Schroeder in the Hodgson role to start the year, instead of

Higgins - Hodgson - Samuelsson

to start the year, you're looking at playing TWO raw prospects there in

Kassian - Schroeder - Booth

In normal cases, I wouldn't try Hodgson with the second line until he started to produce at a 30+ point pace on the 3rd line either, just the same as I wouldn't try Kassian with Kesler/Booth until he takes the next step offensively to BECOME a 30 point player.
Kesler missed only 5 games to start last season.

Hodgson did not establish himself as anything really, prior to Kesler's return.

He was being sheltered from the get go.

I look at Kassian and the main comparison people like is lucic.

Lucic played 4th line a lot early in his career but also got quite a few occasions where he would play with Savard and Kessel.

I don't think it's a stretch, especially if the goal is to balance the size and physicality throughout the lineup, like Gillis has mentioned for months now.

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Kassian is basically Getzlaf on the wing.

inb4 "Kassian is no where as good as Getzlaf"

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Kassian is basically Getzlaf on the wing.

inb4 "Kassian is no where as good as Getzlaf"
I don't know whether this post is serious or not...but are we actually comparing Kassian to Getzlaf or are we joking?

For our sake, I hope we're joking right now.

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Hodgson did not establish himself as anything really, prior to Kesler's return.
I honestly thought Schroeder was the better "all-round" player in training camp/pre-season than Hodgson.

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I don't know whether this post is serious or not...but are we actually comparing Kassian to Getzlaf or are we joking?

For our sake, I hope we're joking right now.
Care to tell me where they differ?

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Care to tell me where they differ?
Kassian doesn't have a massive bald spot.

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Kassian doesn't have a massive bald spot.
Give him 5 years

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Care to tell me where they differ?
Ryan Getzlaf
Career statistics

Regular season and playoffs

Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
200001 Regina SBHL 41 33 41 74 189
200001 Regina Pat Canadians SMHL 8 4 3 7 8
200102 Calgary Hitmen WHL 63 9 9 18 34 7 2 1 3 4
200203 Calgary Hitmen WHL 70 29 39 68 121 5 1 1 2 6
200304 Calgary Hitmen WHL 49 28 47 75 97 7 5 1 6 6
200405 Calgary Hitmen WHL 51 29 25 54 102 12 4 13 17 18
200405 Cincinnati Mighty Ducks AHL 10 1 4 5 4
200506 Portland Pirates AHL 17 8 25 33 36
200506 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim NHL 57 14 25 39 22 16 3 4 7 13
200607 Anaheim Ducks NHL 82 25 33 58 66 21 7 10 17 32
200708 Anaheim Ducks NHL 77 24 58 82 94 6 2 3 5 6
200809 Anaheim Ducks NHL 81 25 66 91 121 13 4 14 18 25
200910 Anaheim Ducks NHL 66 19 50 69 79
201011 Anaheim Ducks NHL 67 19 57 76 35 6 2 4 6 9
201112 Anaheim Ducks NHL 82 11 46 57 75
NHL totals 512 137 335 472 492 62 18 35 53 85

International

Year Team Event GP G A Pts PIM
2002 Canada West U17 6 3 6 9 14
2003 Canada U18 7 2 2 4 10
2004 Canada WJC 6 3 3 6 4
2005 Canada WJC 6 3 9 12 8
2008 Canada WC 9 3 11 14 10
2010 Canada Oly 7 3 4 7 2
Junior totals 25 11 20 31 36
Senior totals 16 6 15 21 12

Zack Kassian

Career statistics
Regular season and playoffs
Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
200607 Windsor Jr. Spitfires AH 57 32 48 80 136
200607 Leamington Flyers WOHL 2 0 0 0 6
200708 Peterborough Petes OHL 58 9 12 21 74 5 1 0 1 2
200809 Peterborough Petes OHL 61 24 39 63 136 4 0 2 2 8
200910 Peterborough Petes OHL 33 8 19 27 58
200910 Windsor Spitfires OHL 5 4 0 4 23 19 7 9 16 38
201011 Windsor Spitfires OHL 56 26 51 77 67 16 6 10 16 37
201011 Portland Pirates AHL 3 0 0 0 2
201112 Rochester Americans AHL 30 15 11 26 31
201112 Buffalo Sabres NHL 27 3 4 7 20
201112 Vancouver Canucks NHL 17 1 2 3 31 4 0 0 0 2
OHL totals 213 71 121 192 358 44 14 21 35 85
NHL totals 44 4 6 10 51 4 0 0 0 2
International
Year Team Event GP G A Pts PIM
2008 Canada Ontario U17 6 2 4 6 4
2009 Canada U18 U18 6 2 3 5 0
2011 Canada U20 WJC 5 2 1 3 27
Totals 17 6 8 14 31

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Kassian doesn't have a massive bald spot.

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Ryan Getzlaf
Career statistics

Regular season and playoffs

Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
200001 Regina SBHL 41 33 41 74 189
200001 Regina Pat Canadians SMHL 8 4 3 7 8
200102 Calgary Hitmen WHL 63 9 9 18 34 7 2 1 3 4
200203 Calgary Hitmen WHL 70 29 39 68 121 5 1 1 2 6
200304 Calgary Hitmen WHL 49 28 47 75 97 7 5 1 6 6
200405 Calgary Hitmen WHL 51 29 25 54 102 12 4 13 17 18
200405 Cincinnati Mighty Ducks AHL 10 1 4 5 4
200506 Portland Pirates AHL 17 8 25 33 36
200506 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim NHL 57 14 25 39 22 16 3 4 7 13
200607 Anaheim Ducks NHL 82 25 33 58 66 21 7 10 17 32
200708 Anaheim Ducks NHL 77 24 58 82 94 6 2 3 5 6
200809 Anaheim Ducks NHL 81 25 66 91 121 13 4 14 18 25
200910 Anaheim Ducks NHL 66 19 50 69 79
201011 Anaheim Ducks NHL 67 19 57 76 35 6 2 4 6 9
201112 Anaheim Ducks NHL 82 11 46 57 75
NHL totals 512 137 335 472 492 62 18 35 53 85

International

Year Team Event GP G A Pts PIM
2002 Canada West U17 6 3 6 9 14
2003 Canada U18 7 2 2 4 10
2004 Canada WJC 6 3 3 6 4
2005 Canada WJC 6 3 9 12 8
2008 Canada WC 9 3 11 14 10
2010 Canada Oly 7 3 4 7 2
Junior totals 25 11 20 31 36
Senior totals 16 6 15 21 12

Zack Kassian

Career statistics
Regular season and playoffs
Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
200607 Windsor Jr. Spitfires AH 57 32 48 80 136
200607 Leamington Flyers WOHL 2 0 0 0 6
200708 Peterborough Petes OHL 58 9 12 21 74 5 1 0 1 2
200809 Peterborough Petes OHL 61 24 39 63 136 4 0 2 2 8
200910 Peterborough Petes OHL 33 8 19 27 58
200910 Windsor Spitfires OHL 5 4 0 4 23 19 7 9 16 38
201011 Windsor Spitfires OHL 56 26 51 77 67 16 6 10 16 37
201011 Portland Pirates AHL 3 0 0 0 2
201112 Rochester Americans AHL 30 15 11 26 31
201112 Buffalo Sabres NHL 27 3 4 7 20
201112 Vancouver Canucks NHL 17 1 2 3 31 4 0 0 0 2
OHL totals 213 71 121 192 358 44 14 21 35 85
NHL totals 44 4 6 10 51 4 0 0 0 2
International
Year Team Event GP G A Pts PIM
2008 Canada Ontario U17 6 2 4 6 4
2009 Canada U18 U18 6 2 3 5 0
2011 Canada U20 WJC 5 2 1 3 27
Totals 17 6 8 14 31
Yes, because I implied Kassian is as good as Getzlaf.

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Yes, because I implied Kassian is as good as Getzlaf.
You said Kassian is basically Getzlaf on the wing. What were you implying?

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You said Kassian is basically Getzlaf on the wing. What were you implying?
That he plays a similar style to Getzlaf?

Why would you assume that I said Kassian is as good as Getzlaf. Is it natural to assume the worst on these boards?

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You said Kassian is basically Getzlaf on the wing. What were you implying?
I think he was implying if Getzlaf gets put on the wings he sucks.


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That he plays a similar style to Getzlaf?

Why would you assume that I said Kassian is as good as Getzlaf. Is it natural to assume the worst on these boards?
Difference between Kassian and Getzlaf. One is an NHL star, the other hasn't shown he's anything more than a fringe 4th liner.

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Difference between Kassian and Getzlaf. One is an NHL star, the other hasn't shown he's anything more than a fringe 4th liner.
So?

Does that mean I can't compare Gaunce to I dunno Arnott because one is an OHL player and one is in the NHL?

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So?

Does that mean I can't compare Gaunce to I dunno Arnott because one is an OHL player and one is in the NHL?
You made a statement implying Kassian is just like Getzlaf except on the wing. You never said Kassian's style is similar to Getzlaf, essentially comparing their styles. You suggested he is just like Getzlaf and implied they are the same player, just at different positions.

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You made a statement implying Kassian is just like Getzlaf except on the wing. You never said Kassian's style is similar to Getzlaf, essentially comparing their styles. You suggested he is just like Getzlaf and implied they are the same player, just at different positions.
Yes, because I would suggest something completely ridiculous rather than something that is much more reasonable!

Why don't you look at the conversation above where people are talking about what Kassian's game is likened to!



Digging yourself a hole.

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