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08-17-2012, 08:25 PM
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The KHL can't even get the shootout right

MZA actually shoots twice (lol) scores on the first, misses on the second.
Better start reading international (IIHF) rules to understand how the system works over there before making statements like these.

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Three different shooters from each team will take alternate shots, until a decisive goal is scored.

If the game is still tied after three shots by each team, the GWS will continue with a tie-break shoot out by one player of each team, with a reversed shooting order. The same or new players can take the tie-break shots.

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08-17-2012, 11:38 PM
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Ummmm... this is awkward to say but by this point, i honestly don't care about the specifics anymore.

Owners are presumably being dicks but at the same time, it's a business. From the League's side of things, the best thing for everyone OTHER THAN THE PLAYERS is financial stability and market growth and economical terms that benefits the development of teams (regardless of whether 30 teams is a good idea or not). Us fans stand to benefit from a better and richer league.

From the players side, it's unfair and unjust to roll back 24% and significantly restrict their freedom on various things and even more unjust when the owners aren't covering their bases to save $$$ and generate profit. On the other hand, they're getting paid enough to live life more than comfortably. Those that want to secure financial stability is talking in relative terms to their luxurious lifestyles.

In the end, with everything else said, I am starting to care less and less about what deal is struck. The players can get rolled back 18% and that'll be just fine AS LONG AS contract lengths and other things like that aren't too restricted. So long as everyone can move on and play some god damn hockey and bring the cup back to NY.

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08-17-2012, 11:45 PM
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The NBA tripled revenue sharing. TRIPLED. The NHL is offering $20M more. What is that?

The NHL is a joke. The NHL brings up the NBA players going from 49%-51% but they fail to mention revenue sharing tripled,the floor increased and the cap remained status quo at $58M.
really wish the media would pick up on this stuff and make some noise about it...both from the aspect of bettman being a hypocrite only drawing comparisons to the nba when it favors him but also how much tripling revenue sharing would help

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08-18-2012, 12:00 AM
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don't remember if i said this before or not but one thing that i really don't like about the players proposal is the slow inflator the first 3 years so it is predetermined how much the cap goes up each year regardless of what revenues do

i really like having the cap linked directly to the revenue so that way both sides have a vested interest in growing the game and increasing the revenue

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08-18-2012, 02:36 AM
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I don't really care what the CBA in the end will look like. I want to watch hockey come October. This is the best Ranger team we have had in a LONG time. I want to see this team play because I know we have a shot at winning the Cup. Get this done asap. Losing the season hurts the league, but hurts the Rangers a lot.

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08-18-2012, 09:09 AM
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So glad the players an the owners are digging in *facepalm*

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08-18-2012, 09:13 AM
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I think what could make this negotiation very difficult is that it is not just players vs. owners. With the revenue sharing debate it is big market owners vs. small markets owners in a HUGE way as well. So basically two fronts to settle.

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08-18-2012, 09:18 AM
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the thing i find most interesting is how many ppl support the players side of the argument....which advocates for sharing of revenue. Isnt that socialism?
It's only socialism if we are talking about the one-ice product and competition. From a business standpoint the competition is not one franchise vs. another. It is the NHL vs the other major sports leagues. And to gain ground in that battle you need a league with parity and support in markets outside of the NHL's big markets. (Personally I think they should cut their losses and accept the NHL's position as a niche sport; but that is not what will happen...).

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08-19-2012, 02:12 PM
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It's about damn time Don Cherry chimes in

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“I’m afraid it looks like two months. Everybody’s talking that they’re going to be out two months. It’s a lockout, it’s a shame. Everybody’s making money but everybody wants more money, and wouldn’t you? And that’s the way it works. It’s too bad."

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08-19-2012, 02:40 PM
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If current CBA (which is Bettman's baby) is so bad, cost fans/players the 04-05 season, should Bettman be leading negotiations today?
https://ja.twitter.com/walsha/status/237231679771656192

7 years ago it was a great deal. Gary made a bad deal. Considering he wants so many changes to it.

Craig Leopold signs Parise and Suter to 13 year/$98M contracts on July 4. On July 13,the NHL submits a proposal to the NHL with rollbacks. Leopold is part of the NHL negotiating committee. He knew what the NHL was going to offer. If there's a rollback(very unlikely),Parise and Suter should sue Leopold who knew what the NHL was planning to offer. Its like buying a house and the real estate agent knows a highway is being built down the road but fails to disclose it to the buyer. The plans haven't been announced yet by the municipality but the agent has worked the area for years and he knows what is what. There will be a lawsuit if the buyer can prove the agent failed to disclose it. Leopold has been in the NHL for a while having owned Nashville and now Minnesota.

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08-19-2012, 03:06 PM
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It's about damn time Don Cherry chimes in
I'm surprised he's not blaming the Russians for the upcoming lockout.

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08-19-2012, 05:32 PM
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Can anyone provide a TL;DR update on the lockout for a dumb, ignorant Australian?

Is it looking more or less likely that the season will go ahead? And when will we know for sure? I've booked my trip to NY for December and will be pissed if I can't see the blueshirts again.

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08-19-2012, 06:47 PM
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Can anyone provide a TL;DR update on the lockout for a dumb, ignorant Australian?

Is it looking more or less likely that the season will go ahead? And when will we know for sure? I've booked my trip to NY for December and will be pissed if I can't see the blueshirts again.
The owners put forward an absurd proposal. The players put forward a more reasonably one centered around increased revenue sharing. Bettman has declared there is still a wide gap and Fehr has confirmed this. The next big meeting is on Wednesday. Right now a lot of people are saying it looks like we'll have a two month lockout. That would have the season starting in December or maybe January. It depends on the length of training camps.

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08-19-2012, 06:56 PM
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I still think it's too early to tell. If I had to put money on it right now I'd say there's a lockout but as September 15th gets closer and closer, the two sides will meet more and more and there will be more urgency to get a deal done.

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08-19-2012, 06:59 PM
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The NHL is a joke. 3 lockouts in 15 years is absolutely unacceptable.

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08-19-2012, 07:07 PM
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Another lockout may damage NHL for good...MLS is salivating at this.

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08-19-2012, 07:22 PM
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KHL is already growing into a legitimate organization having stolen a good chunk of this league's players already... a lockout could give them that extra push they need to become a solid organization and convince a few more to go. going to be interesting if we have a full season lockout.

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08-19-2012, 08:18 PM
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Another lockout may damage NHL for good...MLS is salivating at this.
I can't see that happening. The fanbase demographics really don't overlap all that much. Plus, at the end of the day MLS doesn't have anything close to the best players and the NHL does.

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KHL is already growing into a legitimate organization having stolen a good chunk of this league's players already... a lockout could give them that extra push they need to become a solid organization and convince a few more to go. going to be interesting if we have a full season lockout.
The word you're looking for is terrible, not interesting.

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08-19-2012, 08:34 PM
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KHL is already growing into a legitimate organization having stolen a good chunk of this league's players already... a lockout could give them that extra push they need to become a solid organization and convince a few more to go. going to be interesting if we have a full season lockout.
I don't really see any of the foreign leagues getting bounce from a lockout--most, if not all of the European leagues have a limit to the number of foreign players allowed on each roster, The number allowed is small (2-5 players at most) and I would assume that most teams have already signed their quota. And very few teams are going to be willing to sign a NHL player who is unwilling to commit to playing a full year for them. Last time, most people were predicting that the league would be committed to losing a full year; this time most people think the league would be really hurting itself if the lockout wiped out the Winter Classic.

On the other hand, I know there are a couple of KHL games scheduled to be played at the new Arena in Brooklyn--if the games are played during the lockout, they should be one hot ticket.

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08-19-2012, 10:39 PM
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I think what I find funny the most about this whole thing is the owners are saying the current CBA is bad and unacceptable, but they were the ones who designed the majority of it back in 2004. I just don't get it ...

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I think what I find funny the most about this whole thing is the owners are saying the current CBA is bad and unacceptable, but they were the ones who designed the majority of it back in 2004. I just don't get it ...
Things change in 8 years..

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Better start reading international (IIHF) rules to understand how the system works over there before making statements like these.
In the video the announcers admit to making a mistake as to which team shot first and thats what my comment was about.

Maybe you should watch and understand the video before making statements like this.

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08-20-2012, 12:33 AM
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I think what I find funny the most about this whole thing is the owners are saying the current CBA is bad and unacceptable, but they were the ones who designed the majority of it back in 2004. I just don't get it ...
the sporting world has changed significantly in the last 8 years. look at the deal nfl and nba owners just got. if you're an nhl owner why wouldnt you want that?

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the sporting world has changed significantly in the last 8 years. look at the deal nfl and nba owners just got. if you're an nhl owner why wouldnt you want that?
Yeah, but they're demanding far more than that. Both the NBA and NFL CBAs have tons upon tons of revenue sharing. Plus, neither CBA actually brought the cap down by much and they certainly didn't do 24 percent salary rollbacks. They also didn't push back the age for free agency or stretch ELCs by two extra years. They do have maximum allowable contracts, but that feature had been in both leagues for a while.

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the sporting world has changed significantly in the last 8 years. look at the deal nfl and nba owners just got. if you're an nhl owner why wouldnt you want that?
The NHL owners want the entire NBA deal which includes revenue sharing tripling? Adding $140M annually to revenue sharing. The NHLPA has proposed adding 1/2 of that. $70M. NHL doesn't want to add $70M. Forget about adding $140M.

The NFL shares more revenue than the NHL. The NFL has 4 times the amount of revenue but they share more revenue.

The big market teams generate revenue and they spend money on payroll. The small market teams can't keep up with the floor. The NHL's solution is lowering the cap and floor. Taking money away from the players. The NHLPA wants the big market teams like in the other 3 major sports to help the smaller market teams reach the floor. The NHL wants the NFL and NBA deals? The floor/minimum payrolls in both the NBA and NFL INCREASED. Still think the NHL wants those deals.? The NHL wants to pick and choose parts and ignore other parts.

The NHL computes their revenue differently than the NFL and NBA. The NHLPA is making essentially less than 57% if you compared their 57% to what the NBA players got for their 57%.

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