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07-27-2012, 07:41 PM
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Nikita Kucherov to Buffalo

Just for the heck of it. Kucherov's rights to Buffalo for?

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07-27-2012, 07:44 PM
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Just for the heck of it. Kucherov's rights to Buffalo for?
meh Id only be moderately interested another semi-headcase, smallish to medium built winger on a team that doesnt need young forwards....id balk and try to judge tampa's asking price before offering much of anything

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Tampa has more Nikitas than anyone. They have a nice collection going.

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07-27-2012, 09:05 PM
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He's just a prospect. Value wise its hard to make an argument that he is worth more or less than the second round pick used on him.

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Not sure what his value is, Yzerman loves his Russians and Kucherov is pretty good.

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meh Id only be moderately interested another semi-headcase, smallish to medium built winger on a team that doesnt need young forwards....id balk and try to judge tampa's asking price before offering much of anything
I haven't seen anything about him being a headcase. His build once he puts on weight should be similar to Pominville.

I wouldn't give the sun and the moon.

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meh Id only be moderately interested another semi-headcase, smallish to medium built winger on a team that doesnt need young forwards....id balk and try to judge tampa's asking price before offering much of anything
What is the headcase comment for? He seemed well liked by other players at the prospect camp.

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Tampa would rather keep him. He's incredibly gifted offensively.

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What is the headcase comment for? He seemed well liked by other players at the prospect camp.
His name ends in "ov." He must be a headcase.

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I'd wait to see if Grigorenko and Kucherov actually have good chemistry together in Quebec first.

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I'd wait to see if Grigorenko and Kucherov actually have good chemistry together in Quebec first.
Hmm, It is a possibility. There could be chemistry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cya_5yMIN-k

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Kucherov for Cody McCormick?

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We'll hang on to him, thanks.

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07-27-2012, 11:35 PM
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Kucherov for McNabb? You have D prospects and we have foward prospects.

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Kucherov for McNabb? You have D prospects and we have foward prospects.
Not even close. McNabb is a future top pairing dman, he's untouchable and the Sabres best d prospect.

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No thanks, we need Kucherov to convince Gusev and maybe Vasilevsky to come to North America.

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Not even close. McNabb is a future top pairing dman, he's untouchable and the Sabres best d prospect.
If Kucherov wasn't Russian he would be a top line foward prospect and the value would be close. He has incredable skill and offensive potential, he's much move valuable than most people think but his value is diminished cause he's a Russian.

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07-28-2012, 01:54 AM
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Gusev - Grigorenko - Kucherov
is the 2nd line that the Russians usually use, and it's their best line because of the chemistry and in NHL we'll have Namestnikov to balance out Kucherov's Defense so a big NO from TB.


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If Kucherov wasn't Russian he would be a top line foward prospect and the value would be close. He has incredable skill and offensive potential, he's much move valuable than most people think but his value is diminished cause he's a Russian.
I can see that, because I think Grigorenko got the same treatment. But McNabb fills a positional and playstyle need for the Sabres, while Kucherov doesn't.

McNabb is not going to be traded, in any case. If you feel the same way about Kucherov then fine by us.

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Gusev - Grigorenko - Kucherov
is the 2nd line that the Russians usually use, and it's their best line because of the chemistry and in NHL we'll have Namestnikov to balance out Kucherov's Defense so a big NO from TB.
And that could have been a potential line in Tampa Bay if they just had have drafted Grigorenko instead of Koekoek.

I still think that one is going to haunt TB big time.

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Not even close. McNabb is a future top pairing dman, he's untouchable and the Sabres best d prospect.
Oh jeez. I like McNabb, but you're definitely overvaluing. His skating isn't great, but he's got a good mean streak and will be a good trigger man on the PP. Top-pairing potential? imo, it's a bit of a stretch. I don't think his offensive upside or skating is good enough to project him that high.

That said, he's not a prospect I'd be open to moving for much of anything for 2 reasons: 1) NHL-readiness, he's very close, and 2) what he brings to the table is rare in our system.

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Oh jeez. I like McNabb, but you're definitely overvaluing. His skating isn't great, but he's got a good mean streak and will be a good trigger man on the PP. Top-pairing potential? imo, it's a bit of a stretch. I don't think his offensive upside or skating is good enough to project him that high.

That said, he's not a prospect I'd be open to moving for much of anything for 2 reasons: 1) NHL-readiness, he's very close, and 2) what he brings to the table is rare in our system.
generally I agree with you but McNabb not a top pairing guy!? He's already got a PSL next to Myers as soon as hes ready to come outta Roc. Plus the way Ruff uses his D he will need to be an average skater at best, Myers will tote biscuit McNabb will be cover guy. Besides the most important reason...


M&Ms on the blueline.

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07-28-2012, 03:42 AM
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generally I agree with you but McNabb not a top pairing guy!? He's already got a PSL next to Myers as soon as hes ready to come outta Roc. Plus the way Ruff uses his D he will need to be an average skater at best, Myers will tote biscuit McNabb will be cover guy. Besides the most important reason...


M&Ms on the blueline.
This is a totally valid point.
I don't see Myers and McNabb as good partners though, unless McNasty takes some of the mean out of his game (which, no please, no) or Myers becomes a more stay-at-home guy. Myers sometimes takes himself out of position defensively in an effort to generate offense, and McNabb takes himself out of position to throw hits. Combined, I don't see that being a highly effective pairing . I think McNabb and Pysyk are a pretty likely two-way (but mostly shutdown) pairing in a year or two.

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Every natural hitter takes themselves out of the play to hit when theyre young. I'm counting on the staff to teach to crush when presented and to D when not. Also if he doesn't work with Myers then yes I'd shop him for someone that will. Myers is the future on the blue and he needs a partner ASAP.


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The term "top-pairing" dman (i.e. #2 dman; if we were talking about #1, we'd say #1) is a bit misleading, imo, because being the #2 guy who plays with the #1 is more about chemistry than skill. Seidenberg, Ericsson, Scuderi, Orpik, and Carle aren't/weren't the second best dmen on their teams, and for most of these names their teams won the cup with them as the putative #2. Seabrook/Keith type superpairings are the exception, not the norm, and not one that has a better track record either. I think McNabb can easily be as good as the names on that above list. I do agree that he's unlikely to be the second-most talented defenseman on a contending roster, though, though I'd be ecstatic if he is.

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