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08-13-2012, 09:04 PM
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Rank the Jackets #1 picks

Now that Brule has gone to Switzerland, I got to wondering about how the #1 picks rank. In terms of expectations met, who we passed by,who we got from trading them - however you want to rank them.

1- Nash - a no brainer
2- Brassard - he's still here
3- Murray = highest ranked since Nash
4- Voracek - ultimately turned into JMFJ
5- Klesla - still a decent shut down guy
6- Johansen -jury still out
7- Zherdev - should have been a star
8- Moore - too early to tell
9- LeClaire - injury prone
10 Brule - as good as Crosby-
11 Picard - didn't have the highest of expectations
12 Filatov - Zherdev II only much worse

Once I got past Nash it was a struggle. Totally freaking amazing how badly we have drafted or failed to develop properly.

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08-13-2012, 09:06 PM
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Once I got past Nash it was a struggle. Totally freaking amazing how badly we have drafted or failed to develop properly.
If you really want to be amazed, try doing the second rounders!

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08-13-2012, 09:07 PM
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I think you pretty much nailed it, but I would switch Filatov and Picard.

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If you really want to be amazed, try doing the second rounders!
I can't bear the thought of ranking Dan Fritsche knowing Shea Weber was still on the board.

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1- Nash - yep, a lead pipe cinch
2- Brassard - hope he continues to develop
3- Murray - hasn't been Jacketized yet
4- Johansen - could still be good
5- Moore - will look like he belongs this year
6- Klesla - got several decent years out of him
7- Voracek - once he got the patying out of his system, we could use him this year
8- Zherdev - such a waste of God-given talent
9- LeClaire - injury prone
10 Brule - never adjusted to the NHL
11 Filatov - stupid pick
12 Picard - ugh

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08-13-2012, 09:33 PM
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1- Nash
2- Murray (speculation)
3- Klesla
4- Johansen (speculation)
5- Voracek
6- Brassard
7- Moore
8- Picard
9- Brule
10 LeClaire
11 Zherdev
12 Filatov

My #8 and below are moot, all were bad picks, any ranking would do.


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08-13-2012, 10:02 PM
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1. Nash
2. Brassard
3. Klesla
4. Voracek
5. Leclaire
6. Zherdev
7. Brule
8. Filatov
9. Picard

The rest are too early too tell.

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08-13-2012, 10:46 PM
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1. Nash
2. Brassard
3. Klesla
4. Voracek
5. Leclaire
6. Zherdev
7. Brule
8. Filatov
9. Picard

The rest are too early too tell.
I hereby endorse this post as reflecting my own opinion as well.

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Now that Brule has gone to Switzerland, I got to wondering about how the #1 picks rank. In terms of expectations met, who we passed by,who we got from trading them - however you want to rank them.

1- Nash - a no brainer
2- Brassard - he's still here
3- Murray = highest ranked since Nash
4- Voracek - ultimately turned into JMFJ
5- Klesla - still a decent shut down guy
6- Johansen -jury still out
7- Zherdev - should have been a star
8- Moore - too early to tell
9- LeClaire - injury prone
10 Brule - as good as Crosby-
11 Picard - didn't have the highest of expectations
12 Filatov - Zherdev II only much worse

Once I got past Nash it was a struggle. Totally freaking amazing how badly we have drafted or failed to develop properly.
1. Rick Nash ... anyone who lists otherwise should be hit with a shoe.
2. Ryan Murray ... I believe this kid is a franchise defenseman, and time will hopefully prove me right.
3. Derrick Brassard ... before his shoulder injury in his rookie year, may have won the Calder. Without that missed development, who knows?
4. Jakub Voracek ... not a big fan of Voracek personally, which makes it amazing that I have him this high.
5. Ryan Johansen ... the verdict isn't out on this guy, and I think with the offseason he had, he might move well up this list.
6. Rostislav Klesla ... turned in a solid career really, save the injuries.
7. John Moore ... until he proves us right or wrong.
8. Pascal LeClaire ... was a decent goaltender, but again, injuries. We got a nice bounty in return for him.
9. Nikolai Zherdev ... too bad he couldn't play well with others!
10. Gilbert Brule ... by default
11. Alexandre Picard ... again, by default
12. Nikita Filatov ... seriously?

Want to have some real fun? Rank them by potential! I'll throw up my rankings in the morning, I'm too frustrated with this list

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08-13-2012, 10:51 PM
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Don't get how Filatov is lower than Picard, at least Filatov provided some offense when he was here. Sure, he was a headcase and a lazy player, but Picard has 2 NHL points... 2...

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Don't get how Filatov is lower than Picard, at least Filatov provided some offense when he was here. Sure, he was a headcase and a lazy player, but Picard has 2 NHL points... 2...
So we're ranking them based on points?

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Don't get how Filatov is lower than Picard, at least Filatov provided some offense when he was here. Sure, he was a headcase and a lazy player, but Picard has 2 NHL points... 2...
In the OP I said rank them however you like using whatever as criteria. I (and I'm guessing the others who did so) ranked Filatov as dead last because he had tremendous potential and due to lack of desire and an ego the size of Texas turned out to be a major bust. Picard on the other hand wasn't expected to be a star and came in a pretty weak draft with no great expectations.

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Masochist much? lol

The fact that we're considering Brassard in our top two or three suggests the pure fail this franchise an endured.

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I would put Voracek higher than Brassard on every list. I've heard that it was specifically Jake that Holmgren wanted in that trade for Carter, which tells me he is pretty highly valued, as least more so than Brass. Plus Brass is almost 3 yrs older than Voracek. I'd rather have #93 on my team.

I also can't see ranking Joahansen or Murray yet. How many would have ranked Filly or Brule near the top soon after they were drafted? Let's give it time to see how Murray and Johansen play out.

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I would put Voracek higher than Brassard on every list. I've heard that it was specifically Jake that Holmgren wanted in that trade for Carter, which tells me he is pretty highly valued, as least more so than Brass. Plus Brass is almost 3 yrs older than Voracek. I'd rather have #93 on my team.

I also can't see ranking Joahansen or Murray yet. How many would have ranked Filly or Brule near the top soon after they were drafted? Let's give it time to see how Murray and Johansen play out.
I agree with both points, Derby.

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From The Burnside Carbine blog,

Here is part of their evaluation/projection for Brassard:

"For next season, it has been well documented that we have more than enough second line forwards. Brassard and Johansen may be the only guys with top 3 potential on the team and it seems unlikely that Joey will be ready for that kind of duty come October. This means Brassard had a giant opportunity. The 2012-13 season is effectively a prom date who brought her own condom. With top-3 minutes and power play time up for grabs, Brassard has the chance to show just how effective he can be when he gets his weight right, shoulder healthy and gets a coach he can have a decent relationship with. Given the presence of multiple guys capable of playing center, now might be the time to try him out on the wing, if it hasn't already been done enough. This season is a time he can put up record numbers and counted upon for offense like never before. And with the lack of pure scorers, he may be looked upon to shoot more and pass less."

Actually, I posted this because I really like the prom date analogy!

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I'd say Picard has to be dead last. Who else has 61 NHL games played without a goal and a points per game of 0.035? Probably nobody, EVER. At least not taken in the top 10.

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Don't get how Filatov is lower than Picard, at least Filatov provided some offense when he was here. Sure, he was a headcase and a lazy player, but Picard has 2 NHL points... 2...
I ranked Filatov lower because he was a complete disaster that went back to Russia without ever mattering in North America. Picard has at least spent some time in the NHL/AHL.

And for Murray and Johansen, I ranked them purely on potential alone. I've seen enough of them that I felt comfortable doing so.

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So we're ranking them based on points?
I ranked on production and skill.

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1. Rick Nash
2. Jake Voracek
3. Rostislav Klesla
4. Derick Brassard
5. John Moore
6. Pascal LeClaire
7. Nikolai Zherdev
8. Gilbert Brule
9. Nikita Filatov
10. Alexandre Picard

Too early for Johansen and Murray

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I'd say Picard has to be dead last. Who else has 61 NHL games played without a goal and a points per game of 0.035? Probably nobody, EVER. At least not taken in the top 10.
Kari Lehtonen or Marc-Andre Fleury!

Also the very same year Boris Valabik was drafted 10th overall. He played 80 NHL games without scoring a single goal. He was a defenseman though.
In 2009-10 and 2010-11 Picard was scoring almost a point per game in the NHL, but injuries are killing him.

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I would put Voracek higher than Brassard on every list. I've heard that it was specifically Jake that Holmgren wanted in that trade for Carter, which tells me he is pretty highly valued, as least more so than Brass. Plus Brass is almost 3 yrs older than Voracek. I'd rather have #93 on my team.

I also can't see ranking Joahansen or Murray yet. How many would have ranked Filly or Brule near the top soon after they were drafted? Let's give it time to see how Murray and Johansen play out.
To be fair Brassard is almost 2 years older than Voracek. And that's exactly how much time he had lost to his shoulders injuries.


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Here is part of their evaluation/projection for Brassard:

"For next season, it has been well documented that we have more than enough second line forwards. Brassard and Johansen may be the only guys with top 3 potential on the team and it seems unlikely that Joey will be ready for that kind of duty come October. This means Brassard had a giant opportunity. The 2012-13 season is effectively a prom date who brought her own condom. With top-3 minutes and power play time up for grabs, Brassard has the chance to show just how effective he can be when he gets his weight right, shoulder healthy and gets a coach he can have a decent relationship with. Given the presence of multiple guys capable of playing center, now might be the time to try him out on the wing, if it hasn't already been done enough. This season is a time he can put up record numbers and counted upon for offense like never before. And with the lack of pure scorers, he may be looked upon to shoot more and pass less."

Actually, I posted this because I really like the prom date analogy!
If they change that to say "top-3 next year", I'd agree. I just happen to think Atkinson could end up there someday.

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Kari Lehtonen or Marc-Andre Fleury!

Also the very same year Boris Valabik was drafted 10th overall. He played 80 NHL games without scoring a single goal. He was a defenseman though.
In 2009-10 and 2010-11 Picard was scoring almost a point per game in the NHL, but injuries are killing him.
Don't forget the guy our new coach loved to play in the top 6 last year. He's pretty damn close to that ppg average.



1- Nash
2- Klesla
3- Voracek
4- Zherdev
5- Brassard
6- LeClaire
7- Brule
8- Filatov
9- Picard


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Since you are giving free rein on how to rank the picks I am going to do two lists. The first list are players that are still CBJ property. The second list is of players that have been traded and I have ranked them based on the return the Jackets got for them.

1. Brassard
2. Moore
3. Johansen
4. Murray

5. Nash
6. Voracek
7. Zherdev
8. Klesla
9. LaClaire
10. Brule
11. Filatov
12. Picard

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