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09-07-2012, 10:21 PM
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Top of the group baby!

Unbeaten, haven't conceded a goal.

2 games in Panama and Honduras away will determine the fate!

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If we can beat Honduras then we're pretty much a shoe in for the final round. But let's first focus on the upcoming matchup @ Panama...

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Miller starts for Scotland. As usual he's getting into good positions but keeps messing up with his delivery or being too indecisive. He also had a great chance to score, but he checked his run so he ended up hiding behind two or three defenders giving Snodgrass nothing to work with other than a bad angle shot. If he'd kept running Snodgrass could have given him a simple tap in. Snodgrass tried to get it to him anyway because it was on his right foot which he doesn't like shooting with.

He seems very low on confidence just now. I don't think I've ever seen him hide before.

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Miller scored for Scotland; hopefully that gives him some confidence he can bring back to Vancouver...

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Things are much easier if we can get something out of this game. We haven't looked awful and we're getting opportunities here, we just need to convert which has been a massive problem for us at every stage.


Back to the Caps practice field, ownership answer is UBC will retain ownership. This article goes into good detail for those interested.

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After watching an entire morning full of Uefa WC qualifiers, this Panama/Canada game is downright comical. I went into this fully expecting a drop off, but the ridiculous diving from both sides, shoddy reffing, and the pedestrian pace it's being played at is .

Just amazed at how static some of the players on Canada are. They lost this game before it even started.

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09-11-2012, 10:54 PM
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I agree but the biggest joke is Canada Pop 34 million against Panama

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09-11-2012, 11:20 PM
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Panama is really not a bad team. And population means absolutely nothing; 3 million person Uruguay is fifth in the world. We just have absolutely nobody to finish for us.

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09-11-2012, 11:30 PM
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I agree but the biggest joke is Canada Pop 34 million against Panama
Yeah, kinda like Canada beating the US, Russia and China at hockey. We'd beat India too.

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Regardless of population, or talent, this was one of the worst performances by any team at a top level I've seen. Had they played their hearts out and run down every ball, that'd be one thing, but that wasn't the case.

I mean, compare what the women did at the Olympics, to this.

Had the hockey team done this, they'd been staked. The FA need to start axing some of these guys out. Anybody, will be better than some of the guys out there tonight.

Nice to see Craig Forrest give these guys **** too.

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09-11-2012, 11:41 PM
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CMNT has been a joke for a VERY long time. Too much politics involved and not attracting the right players early on.

I've never understood how the youth teams can be quite decent for Canada and then the Men's team gargles balls. Either every one of those kids has dropped off the map or the people behind the scenes arent doing their job right.

No wonder De Guzman and Hoilet dont want to play. I wouldn't either.

Atleast we can be proud of the women. The difference isn't just that they have Sinclair but they give a **** every game and put in the effort.

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09-11-2012, 11:47 PM
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Atleast we can be proud of the women. The difference isn't just that they have Sinclair but they give a **** every game and put in the effort.
That's all anybody could ever ask for from a national team.

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I've never understood how the youth teams can be quite decent for Canada and then the Men's team gargles balls. Either every one of those kids has dropped off the map or the people behind the scenes arent doing their job right.
Think about it like a pyramid. At the bottom you have youth players - we have lots, playing at a decent, competitive level. Above that you've got your younger senior players - here's where the issue is. If these players aren't standout youth, they won't be able to latch on to a competitive team with a decent development system. The best footballing nations can develop players through any number of national leagues, U-18 leagues, and reserve leagues. Canada lacks even a half-decent national league. If you can't squeak into one of the Canadian MLS teams (and just their presence will help, but we're talking a few years down the road), you've got nowhere to go. It takes a lot of great youth players, continuing into their senior career in good development systems, to create a decent selection pool for the men's national squad at the very top of the pyramid. We don't have that. Instead we've got the big base, but the next level is chopped way down, leaving the top part to stand on top of a much smaller level. Things are slowly getting better, but it's going to take patience and fans need to stick with the team and the program.

Look at a nation like England. Of course they have a few young starlets that they give caps to early, but the core of their squad doesn't start playing national matches until they're in their mid-20s. How many Canadian soccer players keep playing competitively until then?


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I will say, the El Salvadorian ref last night was absolutely terrific. He didn't get pressured into calls, he didn't take any of the diving antics (from Panama or the likes of De Guzman), and for the most part he got calls right. Good on him.

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Right Panama is a third world economy with very little wealth a criminal government and its biggest stadium is a 31000 seat stadium made from wood? And we loose

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Not sure why people are bringing the status of Panama vs Canada in the discussion... nearly all Latin American countries breathe and live soccer; unlike here there's tons of pressure to succeed. CMNT players could spend a good chunk of time without being recognized at while walking around a major city.

The argument about there not being a good bridge between youth soccer and the MLS is perfectly valid, though. Even in Latin America most professional teams run games between each others' youth squads; worst comes to worst there are lower-tier leagues in the football pyramid that can be used to hone the skills of the better talents.

The problem with having a good "support" league in Canada is that soccer takes a backseat to hockey, obviously. The Whitecaps couldn't draw more than a junior hockey team in a small Saskatchewan town back in their USSF days despite being pretty much the only professional soccer option in a city of 2 million.

College could be a fair solution to the problem, but then college sports in Canada doesn't get anywhere close to the support it does in the USA. We hardly have sports-focused post-secondary institutions while down south some of them pull in hundreds of millions in revenues.

The geographical constraints make it really difficult for a quality league to start out, too. When gate revenues might not cover travel expenses that's a huge problem. If Canada was as small and packed as an European country instead then it could be much easier to set something up.

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09-12-2012, 10:14 PM
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The problem is with our youth development. We had two world class players (at least) watching from a far 'cause at some time during their youth development they went over seas and now question their allegiance. This will hopefully change with the 'Caps et. al. making a real effort at youth programs.

But for those ragging on Canadian soccer talent you'd best take a step back. If Canada field their true best eleven - that is the best players born in Canada - they would be in the final stage of WC qualifying every year.

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The problem is with our youth development. We had two world class players (at least) watching from a far 'cause at some time during their youth development they went over seas and now question their allegiance. This will hopefully change with the 'Caps et. al. making a real effort at youth programs.

But for those ragging on Canadian soccer talent you'd best take a step back. If Canada field their true best eleven - that is the best players born in Canada - they would be in the final stage of WC qualifying every year.
The other problem is they don't play enough games together. Never sense the team has chemistry or an identity which comes from lack of matches.

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The other problem is they don't play enough games together. Never sense the team has chemistry or an identity which comes from lack of matches.
Agreed. But at the end of the day this comes down to having a competitive domestic league. It's one thing to have to draw on one or two star players from other leagues - like the Dutch, Germans, Mexicans, Americans etc. It's another to have to call back 7 of your players from 1500 km away twice every year.

Trust me people, if the MLS stays strong, Canadian soccer will make leaps. If those *****ing and complaining in this thread truly give a ***** my best advice is to go buy a ticket to the White Caps. Otherwise take a back seat and keep the hell quiet.

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The problem is with our youth development. We had two world class players (at least) watching from a far 'cause at some time during their youth development they went over seas and now question their allegiance. This will hopefully change with the 'Caps et. al. making a real effort at youth programs.

But for those ragging on Canadian soccer talent you'd best take a step back. If Canada field their true best eleven - that is the best players born in Canada - they would be in the final stage of WC qualifying every year.
Agreed on the first point. Can't fault them for going for the stronger, more organized sides so they can have a real shot at fame and the World Cup.

But let's face the reality that Canada isn't exactly a "football nation". Sure it has plenty of potential but it's highly unlikely that soccer will ever come close to supplanting hockey as the national sport which will invariably sap a huge chunk of the country's talent and potential for more pro teams.

Kids in Canada play soccer because their parents want them to be physically active. Kids in many other countries play soccer because that's what they do as a way to socialize, entertain themselves and maintain that slim dream that one day they will be pros and play on the big stage. That's exactly what hockey is like here and it's the kind of culture that will bring out the best talent.

In most of Europe/Latin America youth squads/leagues appeared in response to all the talent they were yielding. What you're saying is that Canada should do the opposite and generate the leagues so that the talent thrives there.

And really, I think it might result in the country retaining a bit more talent but the bottom line is that the best of the best will likely still seek training overseas. That can't be helped unless the MLS becomes a top league in the world - which isn't all that unlikely but plenty of work has to be done still.

Ultimately, it's the people's approach to the sport that will result in Canada retaining talent and coming up with more of it. Sure having a better developmental system might help in that regard but it takes lots of money to keep up with something like that, specially in a country with a scatter population and where soccer isn't a primary option.

But what will most likely happen is that more cases like de Guzman's happens, top clubs start seeing Canada as an emerging soccer power and they start approaching Soccer Canada about improving the youth system. It'll be a reactionary, not a proactive event.

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MeRo won't be available for around 3 months with a MCL sprain. Maybe we'll see, you know, passing in the next game?

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