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Which trade with Boston would you undo?

View Poll Results: Which trade would you undo?
Rask for Raycroft 308 74.58%
1st + 1st + 2nd for Kessel 94 22.76%
Neither 11 2.66%
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08-14-2012, 10:27 PM
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We undo the Rask for Raycroft trade and that's a huge hole filled in. Plus a first doesn't leave for Toskala?
so it would have filled another couture

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God that's amusing and scary how brutal the move was judged immediately by the board...
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I think it is a great trade.

ROTY for a maybe prospect who is 3-5 years away.

He just turned 26 in May.

Leafs can probably get Rask when the Bruins flush him in 6 years.
Waiting for the flush

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08-14-2012, 10:28 PM
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It was a bad trade in hindsight, but it was also a bad trade at the time.

If it was made the year before, there is a case to be made. But Rask was only getting better since his draft, and was one of the best goalie prospects in the world, and Raycroft was coming off of a HORRIBLE year, even after having an extra year of development because of the lockout.

And when I say horrible, I mean horrible. 0.879 SV% and 3.71 GAA. That is more than a sophomore slump. Those are the kind of numbers that get a goalie sent out of the NHL. Those are the kind of numbers that make our goaltending this past season look vezina worthy.

He also had 8 wins in 30 games.

It was terrible. Simply terrible, in every which way.
I don't disagree, I even said that Rask for Raycroft is the trade that I would undo if I had the chance in my OP.

That being said the only reason Raycroft was available was because he was struggling at that point. If he was playing as he had in his Calder year there is no way he was available, especially for a prospect goaltender. My point is that perspective is everything. If Raycroft worked out in Toronto it wouldn't be the first time a talented young goaltender got it together after having a tough go of it. It didn't, Rask continued to develop, and now the trade looks pretty horrible.

Circumstances are huge, sometimes things just don't work out, this trade was one of those things. I don't mean to defend the trade, i'm just trying to make the point that it could well have worked out differently.

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We undo the Rask for Raycroft trade and that's a huge hole filled in. Plus a first doesn't leave for Toskala?
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True, I still think we would have ended up fishing for Kessel though, and it wouldn't be a complete guarentee that Rask could've kept us from being in the lottery zone. Look at the Habs with Price this year.
lol, Leafs team (without goalie)>>>>>>> Montreals team

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08-14-2012, 10:29 PM
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Waiting for the flush
There are a million classic lines in that thread...someone saying how Marc Staal shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence and Erik Johnson or Jack Johnson, and how he brings absolutely nothing to the table..

Whoops...

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Rask for Raycroft AINEC.

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Can someone look up the trade thread when the Raycroft/Rask trade went down? I'd love to see the fan reaction at the time.
Probably perfectly fine with it and excited. We still had massive hope in Pogge.

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Probably perfectly fine with it and excited. We still had massive hope in Pogge.
Not to mention Raycroft had recently one the Calder.

Im still perplexed how Raycroft is tied for the Leafs single seasons win record for a goalie.

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Probably perfectly fine with it and excited. We still had massive hope in Pogge.
Read the thread, majority are either upset or uncertain...

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I don't disagree, I even said that Rask for Raycroft is the trade that I would undo if I had the chance in my OP.

That being said the only reason Raycroft was available was because he was struggling at that point. If he was playing as he had in his Calder year there is no way he was available, especially for a prospect goaltender. My point is that perspective is everything. If Raycroft worked out in Toronto it wouldn't be the first time a talented young goaltender got it together after having a tough go of it. It didn't, Rask continued to develop, and now the trade looks pretty horrible.

Circumstances are huge, sometimes things just don't work out, this trade was one of those things. I don't mean to defend the trade, i'm just trying to make the point that it could well have worked out differently.
I can't think of any time where a goalie dropped off THAT significantly in his 2nd year and then went on to be a great goaltender.

There are sophomore slumps, and then there is Raycroft.

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08-14-2012, 10:33 PM
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Watch Boston's team defense. Then watch Toronto's.
True. Now you can make a case. But I mean, Raycroft posted 37 wins with our defence so...

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Probably perfectly fine with it and excited. We still had massive hope in Pogge.
It was the greatest ****storm in the history of ****storms. Go read the thread. It has been posted here.

There was more promise in Rask than Pogge all along.

Just goes to show that Leaf fans are not always wrong with their prospect evaluations.

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08-14-2012, 10:38 PM
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i can't wait for Rask to become ordinary. we still really don't know what he is like being a starter. he'll probably be ok. i'm not so sure i am calling him "our biggest regret" quite yet. this season though...

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08-14-2012, 10:41 PM
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i can't wait for Rask to become ordinary. we still really don't know what he is like being a starter. he'll probably be ok. i'm not so sure i am calling him "our biggest regret" quite yet. this season though...
Yup agreed. Let's see him play a full season and have the #1 status.

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Rask trade should be the obvious one, besides tying a record, Raycroft was spectacularly unspectacular and got roasted for it.

If you want to get philosophical about it, if you undo that one, anything that happens after gets changed and we probably don't see the Kessel deal (or if we do it would probably not be Seguin going to Boston)...maybe the Toskala trade ends up being a guy like Pacioretty, Perron, or maybe we trade it up for Couture or include it with Steen for the pick that took JVR...but yeah, if we were allowed to go back in time, change one trade without changing anything else that has happened since, Rask for sure.

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08-14-2012, 10:52 PM
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Read the thread, majority are either upset or uncertain...
Pfff, why would I do that? Ulf's take was already posted and it was positive. His opinion is the only one that matters.

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Well seeing as with Rask, we would have improved in the standings, would have not traded a 1st that turned into Couture for Toskala, and thus having the Kessel deal not as bad.

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Well seeing as with Rask, we would have improved in the standings, would have not traded a 1st that turned into Couture for Toskala, and thus having the Kessel deal not as bad.
Our pick became eller, not couture.

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i can't wait for Rask to become ordinary. we still really don't know what he is like being a starter. he'll probably be ok. i'm not so sure i am calling him "our biggest regret" quite yet. this season though...
Rask could never have played a game in the NHL and I still would have thought it was a horrendous trade. The timing was just brutal.

That trade pissed me off the second I read about it and still does to this day.

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Rask without Thomas this year, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion he can do what Thomas does on a regular basis, until the whitehouse non visit, Thomas almost singlehandedly won the bruins a cup with the best goaltending I have ever seen. Doubt Rask can ever be as good as Thomas, I wouldn't declare him the second coming just yet without the Tank security blanket.

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Both trades.

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Lol, best thread re-tread in a long time. I know understand why Mess and ULF are so gun shy about trading. There was a whole lotta fail in that Razor-Sharp trade.

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so it would have filled another couture
Exactly. Undo the Raycroft deal and the Toskala deal. Look at the team then. There's no need to sign McClement and MacArthur could be traded for size.. And probably no reason to sign Connolly last year either.

Lupul - Couture - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin
MacArthur - Bozak - Kadri
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I also liked FerrisRox lecturing people who didn't think highly of Frolov. In hindsight, that was awesome. It's always nice to see a Habs fan wrong.

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Exactly. Undo the Raycroft deal and the Toskala deal. Look at the team then. There's no need to sign McClement and MacArthur could be traded for size.. And probably no reason to sign Connolly last year either.

Lupul - Couture - Kessel
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Except our pick was #13, which was Eller. There is no saying that we would have flipped the pick and ended up with Couture.

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