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09-10-2012, 04:22 PM
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Just to clarify.

Mora is not playing in the SEL they are a step below. And I haven't heard any restrictions regarding NHL players in that league. So it can actually happen and if it does guess who is going to Mora or the places where they will be playing....Hehe. Not all of them but those close ones.

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09-11-2012, 11:18 AM
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Swedens hockeyallsvenskan is welcoming NHL players so it looks like Kopi is going to join his brother in Mora. I read that he told some Slovenian reporters that he would do that if a lockout would happen.

But the Swedish elitserien is saying no thanks to any NHL players.

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09-11-2012, 11:30 AM
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Swedens hockeyallsvenskan is welcoming NHL players so it looks like Kopi is going to join his brother in Mora. I read that he told some Slovenian reporters that he would do that if a lockout would happen.

But the Swedish elitserien is saying no thanks to any NHL players.
So the Allsvenskan is offering NHL release clauses but the SEL is not?
That was my understanding of how the SEL was trying to keep NHL players out this year.

Also that is going to awesome to watch Kopitar destroy the Allsvenskan and hopefully help Mora make the SEL!

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09-11-2012, 11:46 AM
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So the Allsvenskan is offering NHL release clauses but the SEL is not?
That was my understanding of how the SEL was trying to keep NHL players out this year.

Also that is going to awesome to watch Kopitar destroy the Allsvenskan and hopefully help Mora make the SEL!

We will have to wait and see if the SEL is going to re-think now.
But if Mora can afford to pay Kopi's insurance policies than that is just GOLD and I for one think he will destroy the opposition....dammit I have to do something about my avatar.

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09-11-2012, 07:54 PM
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Kopitar would destroy Allsvenskan. I wish my local team was still in Allsvenskan, I'd be pretty cool to see him play in a league like that. I can't see very many other NHL pros going there in case of a lockout so Kopitar would be a stratosphere above the competition.

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Also incredibly nice of him to stick with family. Good guy Kopitar.

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09-12-2012, 01:33 PM
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This is about what I am expecting from the NHLPA today.

"50/50? You want us to go 50/50...well I guess we could talk about that...."


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This is about what I am expecting from the NHLPA today.

"50/50? You want us to go 50/50...well I guess we could talk about that...."

They apparently negotiated for 3 hours... I wouldn't be surprised if the first two hours was negotiation about who presents the offer first...


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Sounds like it went really well, or is going really well rather.

NHLPA made an offer, NHL made a counter offer.

And honestly...wow...great offer from the NHL...Per Lebrun

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NHL counter-proposal today was six years in length: offered to start players' share at 49 percent and end it at 47 percent at end of term
https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/...67262140485632

I guess Bettman has described it as a take it or leave it deal, they have til Saturday to accept it...otherwise...well...we all know what happens. Bettman also said the new offer is $250m move to the players side

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09-12-2012, 02:36 PM
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The players will not accept that. Going from 57% to 49% and then slowly reducing their share to 47%? I can't see how the players would even consider that type of reduction.

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09-12-2012, 02:41 PM
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The players will not accept that. Going from 57% to 49% and then slowly reducing their share to 47%? I can't see how the players would even consider that type of reduction.
It's using the old HRR numbers. So those %s are a little different.

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09-12-2012, 02:54 PM
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Weren't the owners previous "pie in the sky" offers like 57% in their favor?

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09-12-2012, 03:12 PM
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It's looking up though. NHL has apparently agreed to go back to the old definition of HRR (at least until Saturday, it has been stated that GB told the PA certain elements of the new offer go off the table on Saturday), which is a huge step forward as it was a huge sticking point with the PA. Not only that, but the NHL moved forward even more on %, which means they doubly moved on that front.

No details yet on the initial PA offer, but it's starting (or more like past time) that the PA starts to move as well. Once that starts to happen, and maybe the NHL Saturday deadline for "certain elements" starts that, we will be looking at hockey once again I hope.

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09-12-2012, 03:18 PM
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The players will not accept that. Going from 57% to 49% and then slowly reducing their share to 47%? I can't see how the players would even consider that type of reduction.
And losing 100% of your salary for a year is smart?

The players are being pig headed about "winning" and "losing". The NHL "won" the last CBA, yet the players are better off than the owners since the deal was signed. Winners and losers are not going to be known until the next CBA is done. The players should be asking for a longer CBA (10+ years) so that the short term salary "loss" will be a distant memory when they are all making way too much money again because the owners can't help themselves.

Having 9.7% of their salary in escrow for the first season is a lot better than losing an entire year's worth of salary. Going to Europe will result in a higher loss than 9.7%.

The owners can wait a lot longer without the NHL than the players can, especially the ones that own their arenas. The Kings will probably make more by booking other events at the Staples Center than they would have playing hockey.

I don't hear the players asking for the league to fly them commercial and put them in motels instead of chartered flights and 5-star hotels. Making 57% is ridiculous and the players need to let that go. It's not a loss, but a correction to the inflated revenues helped by the Canadian market.


I believe that the NHL has said that the percentages are still negotiable until the CBA expires. If there is a lockout, it is on the players again.

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09-12-2012, 03:28 PM
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Yikes.

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NHL players aren't interested in any offer that includes taking less than the $1.87 bil share made last year. Insider Trading tonite on TSN.

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09-12-2012, 03:29 PM
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Like I said, the players won't accept such a reduction. This from Dreger:
http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/stat...79913071517696
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NHL players aren't interested in any offer that includes taking less than the $1.87 bil share made last year.

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09-12-2012, 03:44 PM
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Like I said, the players won't accept such a reduction. This from Dreger:
http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/stat...79913071517696
Isn't $0 a reduction?

1.87 billion (57% HRR) x 5 years with one locked out year = $9.35 billion
1.57 billion (48% HRR) x 6 years = $9.45 billion
1.64 billion (50% HRR) x 6 years = $9.84 billion

Which one is the worst for the players? That's right, losing a season.


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Isn't $0 a reduction?
I think the reduction has to be at a slower and steadier rate. Going from 57% to 49% to 47% isn't progress. If they want a true partnership, why not work down to 53% and incrementally lower their stake to an even 50-50 partnership?

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I think the reduction has to be at a slower and steadier rate. Going from 57% to 49% to 47% isn't progress. If they want a true partnership, why not work down to 53% and incrementally lower their stake to an even 50-50 partnership?
But the players won't even negotiate with the NHL. They are sticking with their stupid 3+1 year deal. The NHL will never accept the NHLPA's structure. The players will make $0 next year and will never be able to make up for that loss, the NHL revenues will fall if there is a lockout and if they somehow get 57% of the revenues in the next CBA after a lost season, the players 57% will probably be lower than if they just accept a CBA tomorrow near what the NHL is offereing.

Losing 7-9% next season is much better for the players than trying to "win".


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09-12-2012, 04:22 PM
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I think the reduction has to be at a slower and steadier rate. Going from 57% to 49% to 47% isn't progress. If they want a true partnership, why not work down to 53% and incrementally lower their stake to an even 50-50 partnership?
Ask the NHLPA.

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Both sides are asking for the moon. The PA asking for a three year deal is a joke.

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09-12-2012, 04:48 PM
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From the sound of Fehr's press conference, you can kiss the 2012-13 season goodbye. He started by blaming the salary cap for the current problems. He said only leagues with a salary cap have CBA problems.

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http://twitter.com/jessespector/stat...00216183029761
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Fehr says players asking for 67% would be equivalent to today’s offer from owners. Good times, clearly union is thrilled.
http://twitter.com/sbaickerCSN/statu...00469569327104
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Fehr says the NHL's latest proposal doesn't take quite as much money from players as last, it's still a "really very big amount"
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/statu...00642521444352
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"They've moved from an extraordinarily large to a big amount." Fehr on latest proposal

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In Kings related news:
http://twitter.com/frozenroyalty/sta...02472508850176
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#lakings just signed defenseman Kurtis MacDermid to a 3-year, entry-level deal. 18-yr-old played for @attackohl last season. @lakings
He was limited to 9 games due to an injury.

http://www.attackhockey.com/article/...-for-nhl-draft
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Kurtis MacDermid – Despite being limited to only 9 games due to injury and spending the beginning of the year with the Junior “B” Grey’s because of an influx of defensemen on the roster, Kurtis MacDermid made an impression. Scouts draft players based on how they feel they will have developed 5-10 years down the road, which means MacDermid may be very appealing to some teams. His father Paul had a long and successful NHL career while his brother (and Attack Alumnus) Lane got his feet wet with the Boston Bruins last year. Lane was also passed over in 2 NHL drafts before being picked up by Boston….a decision many NHL teams may have regretted. You won’t find a player that works harder on or off the ice.


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From the sound of Fehr's press conference, you can kiss the 2012-13 season goodbye. He started by blaming the salary cap for the current problems. He said only leagues with a salary cap have CBA problems.
That's always been in the shadows with Fehr.

The NHL owners were willing to cancel an entire season. Fehr led to a players strike that cancelled the World Series. Every NHL work stoppage has been longer than the previous one. It's not a good equation.

I hope they come to an agreement, but with these two sides and their histories, sadly I might not be shocked if a year from today nothing was done. They can't be that dumb, but they could be.

If Fehr starts attacking the cap openly, who knows what happens when.

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