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08-15-2012, 03:43 AM
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you aren't getting a #1 C with these awful proposals, that's for sure.

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08-15-2012, 03:43 AM
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yea cause trading kessel is the only way we are getting a 1C...
In the million threads your fanbase has created looking for one, have you found any deals that both teams would agree to that don't include Kessel?

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No, but the point is without Kessel in the deal you're going to have to give up a lot. Likely more than you want. Likely enough that if anyone proposed it you'd call them crazy. Number one centers are probably the most coveted players in the league. Those guys are really hard to come by. You won't pry one from another team without a huge payment. You need an embarrassment of riches in the minors or extremely talented NHL depth at a certain position to get teams to listen to offers for a 1st line C. I don't think Toronto really has that, and while I think they could put together a decent package, I think they'd likely be outbid by other teams.
it can be done...

a player like stasny or wait for getzlaf

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08-15-2012, 03:47 AM
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I don't want anything the Leafs have in exchange for Brad Richards.

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I don't want anything the Leafs have in exchange for Brad Richards.
We don't want Brad Richards.

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it can be done...

a player like stasny or wait for getzlaf
The thread isn't about FAs, it's about the cost in a trade for a center.

As for Stastny, sure, Toronto could put together a good offer, but I think they could be easily outbid if it were known Stastny was available.

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08-15-2012, 05:05 AM
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Leafs should have just acquire Ribeiro when he was available, now you're stuck with Connolly/Bozak as your 1st line center... or are they really gonna try Van Riemsdyk between Lupul/Kessel?

Paul Stastny would look good with the Leafs.

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08-15-2012, 05:13 AM
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Leafs should have just acquire Ribeiro when he was available, now you're stuck with Connolly/Bozak as your 1st line center... or are they really gonna try Van Riemsdyk between Lupul/Kessel?

Paul Stastny would look good with the Leafs.
Unfortunately no one the Leafs are willing to offer would look good on the Avs

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Only a team that has a center down the depth chart that can be a top 6 on plenty of teams, is a guy you can pry with a package of Grabovski + and it wouldn't be just one +, it'd be a few. Staal would have been perfect and the Pens would have gouged the Leafs and I doubt Burke would have cared because he would have gotten his #1 guy. Leafs still might have that guy in their system and just need the time to find out themselves.

Good luck with that.

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The thread isn't about FAs, it's about the cost in a trade for a center.

As for Stastny, sure, Toronto could put together a good offer, but I think they could be easily outbid if it were known Stastny was available.
Stastny's #'s the last 2yrs and his cap hit makes me think he's really not a guy that teams would bid for. Ribeiro was a better "get" for the Caps than Stastny would be. I mean, when you think about that...is Stastny really going to cost a team a lot to get? The only problem with Stastny is...do you want to invest in a trade where you lost some decent assets for a guy that is declining with a pretty big cap hit?

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If a team is trading a 1st line center i think Grabovski is a pretty realistic centerpiece in a deal, he's a very good player.

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08-15-2012, 08:55 AM
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Quite honestly, the Leafs are going to have wait it out.
Either draft your #1C, acquire during the UFA period or build one up internally. There is little chance that the Leafs will trade for one at this time, Burke has already played his cards for top line talent and you got Kessel.
Looking at nhlnumbers, the Leafs have invested the most in forwards and least in goalies per cap hit in comparison to every other team in the league. Which makes sense when you see the Leafs projected netminders for this season.
You gotta ask yourself, how true is the adage of "building from the net out" true? Can The Leafs seriously consider that even with two solid lines up front and a good D pairing in the back, Reimer is enough to carry a seasons workload to ensure a playoff spot?
Your need is definately a goalie for the immediate situation and than make getting the #1C a secondary goal

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Yeah weird that Leafs didnt offer anything for Ribeiro, probably a leafs 2nd would have outbid us , but i think people are vary of his "personality", lackluster defence and inconsistency..

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Grabovski is not the starting point for discussions involving number one centers. Which are typically not for trade anyways.
He is right. Usually the starting point around here is Sam Gagner for your number 1 dman.

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Grabo+Reilly+kessel+1st would be the overpayment you're looking at
Call me crazy but i would do that for Malkin and build around him. I don't think Pens would do it but there is no one person worth that much at C (other than SID and Gino).

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The offers in this thread are ridiculous.

It doesn't take a freaking Kessel type player to get a #1 C. Want some proof? Just look at the two Carter trades, and the Richards trade.

Unless we are talking Crosby/Malkin, there is no way a reasonable GM is asking for Kessel if they are actually selling a top line C.

It usually takes one good secondary roster piece, and a good young player. Following that template, I think something like Grabovski + Kadri for a top 20 #1 C/Grabovksi + Gardiner for a top 10 C #1 C could get done if some players were made availalbe. More pieces would probably have to be added, but that should be the core of the deal.

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Call me crazy but i would do that for Malkin and build around him. I don't think Pens would do it but there is no one person worth that much at C (other than SID and Gino).
Build around him with what exactly? Kulemin?

That trades creates more holes than it fills, and will for sure keep us in the bottom 5, possibly bottom 3, again.

While the value is good there, we don't have the roster depth to make any move like that. Burke and Nonis have already said they are not changing the core of this team. That kind of a trade contradicts that statement.

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They haven't displayed much if any chemistry together, so that is why.
If you look at their stats, Kessel had better possession and goal scoring numbers with him than without, and by quite about too.

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He is right. Usually the starting point around here is Sam Gagner for your number 1 dman.
I do not understand this attitude. It is a starting point. You can start from anywhere and get to where you need to be. You could pick a starting point of Frattin for Crosby, and it would just be that: a starting point. In no way does that term mean "the main piece in the trade".

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I think Toronto just has to go this season without a #1 then make big push for Getzlaf, Weiss, etc during FA next year

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Build around him with what exactly? Kulemin?

That trades creates more holes than it fills, and will for sure keep us in the bottom 5, possibly bottom 3, again.

While the value is good there, we don't have the roster depth to make any move like that. Burke and Nonis have already said they are not changing the core of this team. That kind of a trade contradicts that statement.
Well i did say for Malkin But yea no one does that trade because like you mentioned it leaves a hole in our line up and it's hard to give up such good player so Pens probably say no on that basis.

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Have to wait it out. A #1C is only coming to the Leafs via free agency or the draft, and we're all going to have to deal with it.


In the meantime, we could always try playing our C prospects at C...

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The offers in this thread are ridiculous.

It doesn't take a freaking Kessel type player to get a #1 C. Want some proof? Just look at the two Carter trades, and the Richards trade.

Unless we are talking Crosby/Malkin, there is no way a reasonable GM is asking for Kessel if they are actually selling a top line C.

It usually takes one good secondary roster piece, and a good young player. Following that template, I think something like Grabovski + Kadri for a top 20 #1 C/Grabovksi + Gardiner for a top 10 C #1 C could get done if some players were made availalbe. More pieces would probably have to be added, but that should be the core of the deal.
And neither of those guys are on your team. If it's so easy, why are you still without a 1C?

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The thread isn't about FAs, it's about the cost in a trade for a center.

As for Stastny, sure, Toronto could put together a good offer, but I think they could be easily outbid if it were known Stastny was available.
Yes, but if it is at the trade deadline, and it seems like they aren't going to resign the player, why not cash in on him? Grabo+Cond. 1st 2014 if he resigns?

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And neither of those guys are on your team. If it's so easy, why are you still without a 1C?
We were outbid on Richards, and Carter was not going to be a fit for us, as shown what happened with Nash.

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