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08-17-2012, 08:45 AM
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Do you not like the deal because of Schenn's potential or because you bought a jersey thinking he'd be a life long Leaf?

The trade was a good trade from a potential standpoint. Schenn on the Leafs hasn't been successful. He has some good potential but the more he played the more it became apparent that he wasn't going to reach it on the Leafs. So Burke capitalized on a situation to grab a high potential player, one with higher potential than Schenn.

It's not often you get the chance to get a potentially dominant winger with size, one who is a year removed from a playoff series that everyone was saying was his coming out party.
LOL, definitely because of the potential. I only mentioned the Jersey because it was the first one I've bought in over 20 years. Figures with my luck he'd get traded less than a year after I got it.

I'm not upset with the trade as I'm sure JVR will play well for the Leafs. Just wish Schenn had worked out. Trades happen so I don't get too hung up on any of them. Of all the trades under Burke, that is about the only one I initially didn't want to accept. Knowing a little more about JVR has helped bring me around. Cheers

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08-17-2012, 08:46 PM
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LOL, definitely because of the potential. I only mentioned the Jersey because it was the first one I've bought in over 20 years. Figures with my luck he'd get traded less than a year after I got it.

I'm not upset with the trade as I'm sure JVR will play well for the Leafs. Just wish Schenn had worked out. Trades happen so I don't get too hung up on any of them. Of all the trades under Burke, that is about the only one I initially didn't want to accept. Knowing a little more about JVR has helped bring me around. Cheers
I believe my first text after the trade was 'I fn hate Burke. Stupid deal' hope I'm wrong. Lol

Wondering if I should hold off on my Kadri jersey though

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08-17-2012, 08:55 PM
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I believe my first text after the trade was 'I fn hate Burke. Stupid deal' hope I'm wrong. Lol

Wondering if I should hold off on my Kadri jersey though
I love Schenn, and think he's going to thrive in Philly, but I think we're going to be the "winners" of this deal. Regardless of whether or not JVR works as a Center (I have a strange feeling that he will), I think he's going to have a break-out season for us and really elevate his game here.

As for Kadri, I really hope we keep him, but I would probably hold off on that one for at least a season or two, haha. I think he'll have a great NHL career though, and I hope it's with Toronto.

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I love Schenn, and think he's going to thrive in Philly, but I think we're going to be the "winners" of this deal. Regardless of whether or not JVR works as a Center (I have a strange feeling that he will), I think he's going to have a break-out season for us and really elevate his game here.

As for Kadri, I really hope we keep him, but I would probably hold off on that one for at least a season or two, haha. I think he'll have a great NHL career though, and I hope it's with Toronto.
I think we'll regret dealing Luke, but we'll have a very good play in JVR.

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I think we'll regret dealing Luke, but we'll have a very good play in JVR.
I hope so, I think Schenn is gonna be a gem. Looking forward to Toronto Philly this year though. Think big brother goes after our captain?

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08-18-2012, 12:48 PM
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Has to be the trade for Lupul and Gardiner...still don't know how he managed to pull that one off.

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Firing Wilson
JVR for Schenn
Lupul&Gardiner for nothing.

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08-18-2012, 06:04 PM
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I hope so, I think Schenn is gonna be a gem. Looking forward to Toronto Philly this year though. Think big brother goes after our captain?
He better be careful, Phaneuf hits about 3 times harder than Schenn.

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He better be careful, Phaneuf hits about 3 times harder than Schenn.
Still could make things interesting. I miss the old Leaf vs Flyers line brawls.

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I hope so, I think Schenn is gonna be a gem. Looking forward to Toronto Philly this year though. Think big brother goes after our captain?
You can bank on it......it will be fireworks!

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Lupul and Gardiner. Trade a UFA signing who did not work out with the team and get a top line winger and a good defensive prospect back must go down as one of the great deals. And good thing is, I dont think Anaheim complain either seeing as Beauchemin showed his skills for them.

Even do we lack elite talent in the system I really like most of our prospects. I know BB is not the one doing the scouting and ranking but he is the man in charge so credit to him for bolstering the squad with some good character players who hopefully will make the leafs hard to play against.

This is hopefully how our D can look like in a couple of years.
So much hockey IQ, smooth skating, character, leadership and hard work in that group. Sure, some of them might not make it so far and a lot can happen from now and until those projects are ready. But I like it.


Rielly (L) - Percy (R)
Gardiner (L) - Granberg (R)
Finn (L) - Blacker (R)

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08-21-2012, 05:38 AM
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Lupul and Gardiner. Trade a UFA signing who did not work out with the team and get a top line winger and a good defensive prospect back must go down as one of the great deals. And good thing is, I dont think Anaheim complain either seeing as Beauchemin showed his skills for them.

Even do we lack elite talent in the system I really like most of our prospects. I know BB is not the one doing the scouting and ranking but he is the man in charge so credit to him for bolstering the squad with some good character players who hopefully will make the leafs hard to play against.

This is hopefully how our D can look like in a couple of years.
So much hockey IQ, smooth skating, character, leadership and hard work in that group. Sure, some of them might not make it so far and a lot can happen from now and until those projects are ready. But I like it.


Rielly (L) - Percy (R)
Gardiner (L) - Granberg (R)
Finn (L) - Blacker (R)
That D needs a bit more size and grit mixed in.

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That D needs a bit more size and grit mixed in.
Rielly, Percy and Finn are all 6'.
Blacker is 6' 1"
Gardiner is 6' 2"
Granberg 6' 3"

I think that is size enough. I rather have defenders who can move the puck, have high hockey IQ and are good skaters then big, gritty ones who get out of position all the time.

With Biggs, Frattin, Ashton and Ross we will have the grit and size needed in the line up. And they can crash and bang where it does not matter as much if they get out of position, far away from our own net.

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Rielly, Percy and Finn are all 6'.
Blacker is 6' 1"
Gardiner is 6' 2"
Granberg 6' 3"

I think that is size enough. I rather have defenders who can move the puck, have high hockey IQ and are good skaters then big, gritty ones who get out of position all the time.

With Biggs, Frattin, Ashton and Ross we will have the grit and size needed in the line up. And they can crash and bang where it does not matter as much if they get out of position, far away from our own net.
Don't forget about Nilsson who was part of the Swedish team who came over this summer.

Might not be big (N.Kronwall size), but seems to have that edge to him.

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I think getting Giguere for Toskala was the first step in a chain reaction. Giguere had more of an impact than he was credited for. Reimer played well knowing that he had Giguere to bail him out. Also, picking up Bozak proved to be a good move as it stabilized the centre position enough to justify flipping Stajan in the Phaneuf deal.

Top assets produced by the Burke administration for me are Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Gardiner. Lupul, Kadri, Colborne Blacker and Rielly are close seconds. Lupul needs another good season before he can be thought of as a top asset...

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Schenn for JVR was a great trade for both organizations.

IMO the losing wore on Luke. I think he's going to have a fire re-lit under his ass in Philly.

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I hope so, I think Schenn is gonna be a gem. Looking forward to Toronto Philly this year though. Think big brother goes after our captain?
Why would our captain fight 3rd pairing scrubs?

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I think getting Giguere for Toskala was the first step in a chain reaction. Giguere had more of an impact than he was credited for. Reimer played well knowing that he had Giguere to bail him out. Also, picking up Bozak proved to be a good move as it stabilized the centre position enough to justify flipping Stajan in the Phaneuf deal.

Top assets produced by the Burke administration for me are Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Gardiner. Lupul, Kadri, Colborne Blacker and Rielly are close seconds. Lupul needs another good season before he can be thought of as a top asset...
Did Giguere ever bail him out?

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Why would our captain fight 3rd pairing scrubs?
3rd pairing scrub.... .....they hate each other is the reason why. Hence the trade.

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I hope so, I think Schenn is gonna be a gem. Looking forward to Toronto Philly this year though. Think big brother goes after our captain?
Why would he do that?

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I think we'll regret dealing Luke, but we'll have a very good play in JVR.
I think people need to realize that if Schenn breaks out in Philly and becomes the player most of us envisioned, it doesn't mean he would have on the Leafs.

All to often people assume a player breaking out means that he would have on the team he was prior to the new team.

It's just not right. Would MacArthur have broken out on Atlanta? Unlikely. Would Lupul have been a PPG player on Anaheim? Nope. Players sometimes just aren't getting the necessary time or development on the team they are on, so it's unlikely they ever break out on it. New team brings a fresh chance and new opportunities that weren't available on the old team.

Schenn will have those on Philly. He may have had them on the Leafs with a new coach but it's likely that his confidence needed a boost that only a move to another team could do.

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Did Giguere ever bail him out?
Giguere was an effective mentor, and a stabilizing presence for a rookie goalie. He was pretty important to Reimer's emergence. I'm sure he could have benefitted from Giggy's presence last year.

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Giguere was an effective mentor, and a stabilizing presence for a rookie goalie. He was pretty important to Reimer's emergence. I'm sure he could have benefitted from Giggy's presence last year.
Hard to say he was his mentor that year, given Reimer stepped in his first game and pretty much took the reins from there. Not like there was any long established training relationship. I suppose he may have said some things in practise but it's also hard to argue he instilled confidence in knowing he was there to back him up given how poor his numbers were in the few times he did spell him off. Not saying adding a vet to the mix wouldn't help, just that his play certainly shouldn't have given Reimer confidence.

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“You see the drive the great goalies have,” said Reimer. “[J-S Giguere] had that drive. He was so intense every day, he’d do anything to stay in the league. He do anything to keep pucks out of the net. I wanted to do some things over the break. I didn’t want to sit there and do nothing.”

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Last season it DID look like Reimer learned something from him.

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