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08-16-2012, 11:40 AM
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Phaneuf vs Gardiner vs Rielly

Simple question really,

In your opinion, which ends up being the better defenseman in their prime?

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Most will probably say Rielly, but I'll go with Gardiner.

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I'll go Rielly here too, there's a lot to like about him...

I think any of them could come out on top to be honest...

But, if we're comparing primes, there's a really good chance that Phaneuf still takes this with his 07-08 season...

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I don't see Reilly or Gardiner being nominated for Norris trophies.

So in prime, Phaneuf wins.

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If you look at everyone's prime I'd say

Rielly>Phaneuf>Gardiner

The only thing is we don't know how well Rielly will play in the NHL but he has a great projection.

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Rielly....then Gardiner.

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LOL. Easily Phaneuf, I don't see either Rielly or Gardiner putting up a 60 point season with 182 PIMs and being second in Norris voting.

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Phaneuf is a different type of D so I think it's comparing apples and oranges since Phaneuf and Rielly/Gardiner would occupy different roles. Rielly/Phaneuf would be a fantastic pairing IMO.

In terms of Rielly vs Gardiner, definitely Rielly would be the best rusher we have as he is similar with Gardiner in terms of skating, but has way better vision and passing ability.

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LOL. Easily Phaneuf, I don't see either Rielly or Gardiner putting up a 60 point season with 182 PIMs and being second in Norris voting.
It's not just you... but seriously, outside of fantasy hockey, when are PIMs a good thing?

When a player is in the box, his effectiveness is 0, and the team is probably short-handed. It's a bad thing.



I get that fighting is a good trait, but it's not directly reflected in PIMs, and you still don't know if the guy's any good at it, even if he does it often.

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If you look at everyone's prime I'd say

Rielly>Phaneuf>Gardiner

The only thing is we don't know how well Rielly will play in the NHL but he has a great projection.
This, if Rielly reaches his potential(#1 PMD, who's good defensively), he'll be the best of the bunch. Gardiner is probably a 2nd pairing guy when all is said and done. Phaneuf is a #1, but prone to mistakes.

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It's not just you... but seriously, outside of fantasy hockey, when are PIMs a good thing?

When a player is in the box, his effectiveness is 0, and the team is probably short-handed. It's a bad thing.



I get that fighting is a good trait, but it's not directly reflected in PIMs, and you still don't know if the guy's any good at it, even if he does it often.
It gives an indicator of physicality, or the capability of being physical. Riellly and Gardiner both aren't very physical. It's just another dimension to someone's game.

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They all bring different elements to the game. Especially Phaneuf.. I think Gardiner and Reilly are both similar players however Reilly is a higher draft pick and younger. So while we've seen a great season out of Gardiner i just hope he can do it again and not be a flash in the pan.

It would be awesome to get a player in a trade for a Free agent that can be a long term contributer to the leafs.

I think having 2 pmd like reilly and gardiner is massive.. and the leafs really have something special in these two.. Could be like having Phil housley and Brian leetch on the same team in their primes.

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Rielly....then Gardiner.
This.

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Gonna say...

Rielly > Noofers > Gardiner

Dion is just entering his prime. He's only 27. And he has some impressive seasons under his belt. People gotta lay off on the hate.

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Easily Phaneuf. If Gardiner or Rielly ever put up 60 points or be nominated for the Norris, I'll be ecstatic.

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I'm not really sure how were supposed to compare or guess here....3 different stages, and 3 different players in skill sets

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Total crapshoot. In Phaneuf's career he has already been a Norris finalist, and put up 60 points as mentioned by others in this thread. He also plays a physical game that neither of these players offer. With that said, his defensive game is complete and utter garbage, so that could be the great equalizer. I'd take the strong two-way defender over the offense-only guy any day, regardless of hitting prowess.

IF Rielly reaches his ceiling, he could quite easily be the best of the bunch. Gardiner offensively could top out around ~50. The key for him will be how his D game progresses. Worth keeping in mind that this kid hasn't even been a defenseman for that long.

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Gonna say...

Rielly > Noofers > Gardiner

Dion is just entering his prime. He's only 27. And he has some impressive seasons under his belt. People gotta lay off on the hate.
This. I don't know how anyone can say Phaneuf's prime was his Norris nomination year, he was just a 22 year old at the time. Though that was easily his best year and he will always be a better player than Gardiner.

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Considering one just finished his first year, and one was just drafted, this is pretty much impossible to say.

It also begs the question, which Phaneuf do we count as prime? The year that he scored a bunch and did big hits, which led to his Norris nomination? Or now, when he is better all-around, but not putting up the same kind of points?

It also begs the question, how do we judge Gardiner and Rielly? Based on what we believe they become, or what their top potential is?

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As good as Gardiner's rookie season was, Phaneuf put up 20 goals/49 points in his.

Phaneuf->Rielly->Gardiner for me

I think Phaneuf's turning the corner a bit and can see plenty more 50+ point seasons from him.

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Considering one just finished his first year, and one was just drafted, this is pretty much impossible to say.

It also begs the question, which Phaneuf do we count as prime? The year that he scored a bunch and did big hits, which led to his Norris nomination? Or now, when he is better all-around, but not putting up the same kind of points?

It also begs the question, how do we judge Gardiner and Rielly? Based on what we believe they become, or what their top potential is?
We prognosticate all the time on the boards, not sure why this thread is so different?

Based on what we know of each player, what their potential is, an what type of player they are, which of them will be the better defenseman?

I've got money on DP. At the end of the day, he comes across as the more complete player.

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We prognosticate all the time on the boards, not sure why this thread is so different?

Based on what we know of each player, what their potential is, an what type of player they are, which of them will be the better defenseman?

I've got money on DP. At the end of the day, he comes across as the more complete player.
We have a hard enough time deciding which of two players with different styles of play are better, such as Suter vs. Weber. And they are playing right next to each other.

We have a hard enough time deciding which of two players, one who is established, and one who is a prospect/young player, is better, such as Seguin vs. Kessel.

Now we are mixing that all into one question, with players playing in different leagues, and not even playing the full season, and adding another player? It just makes it so convoluted that it is pointless.

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This. I don't know how anyone can say Phaneuf's prime was his Norris nomination year, he was just a 22 year old at the time. Though that was easily his best year and he will always be a better player than Gardiner.
One could easily argue, with statistical proof, that Gardiner was better than Phaneuf this year. It's certainly very close, so I won't say one way or another, but Gardiner is far closer to Phaneuf's abilities than you seem to think. It shouldn't shock anyone to see Gardiner become the better player (comparable at the very least) in the future.

Edit: I should note that I do not expect Gardiner to become the Norris runner-up, but I also don't expect Dion to return to that form. I could, of course, be wrong. It is obviously possible that either of them could become something I don't forsee (or, in Dion's case, return to his 'old' form).


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