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08-16-2012, 01:01 PM
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Pronger-Neidermeyer-Beauchemin

Phaneuf-Rielly-Gardiner. It will be interesting to see what Phaneuf can transform into with an elite d-partner.

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08-16-2012, 01:14 PM
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It gives an indicator of physicality, or the capability of being physical. Riellly and Gardiner both aren't very physical. It's just another dimension to someone's game.
No, no it doesn't. It gives you an idea of how wreckless a player is. But a bunch of tripping/hooking/slashing/unsportsmanlike penalties have noting to do with physicality.

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This. I don't know how anyone can say Phaneuf's prime was his Norris nomination year, he was just a 22 year old at the time. Though that was easily his best year and he will always be a better player than Gardiner.
Considering your prime is your "best" years, it's different for everyone, so unless he has better seasons, that, unfortunately, was his prime.

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08-16-2012, 01:17 PM
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Prospects always have that new shine on them... I expected people to come in here and say Rielly.

At this point Phaneuf is way out infront

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08-16-2012, 02:05 PM
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Phaneuf>Rielly>Gardiner. All amazing though, when Rielly develops we just need a couple of reliable shut down guys and we'll have one of the best defense in the league.

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08-16-2012, 02:11 PM
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Overall, Phaneuf easily, neither Rielly or Gardiner will put fear into the other team like Phaneuf does.

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08-16-2012, 02:16 PM
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Reilly.

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08-16-2012, 02:51 PM
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Imo Rielly has the POTENTIAL to be a #1, and I think he will. Love his atitude, his skill..... Phaneuf imo is a 1b guy, can be a stud D but needs another good D to play with. Rielly can become that guy everyone talks about.

Gardiner don't see him becoming a #1, more like 2 so...
Rielly>phaneuf>gardiner

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08-16-2012, 02:53 PM
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It's like asking who is better:

Pronger, Niedermayer or Letang (I couldn't think of a better example for Rielly... maybe Coffey?)

THey're all going to be different sorta guys, good in some ways, better in others.

It's probably closer between Rielly and Phaneuf, but since Rielly isn't even on the NHL roster, Phaneuf takes it hands down.

Hard to really predict where Rielly goes in his career. He's got a lot of top end talent. He could be huge. But it's best to temper expectations for the time being.

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08-16-2012, 02:55 PM
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Never really seen Reilly, but I hope he ends up as good as Gardiner. I don't consider Phaneuf to be in the same class as Gardiner. Just too big a difference in their hockey IQ's for Phaneufs physical game to catch up to him IMO.

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08-16-2012, 03:52 PM
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Tough to judge Rielly but as of right now based on potential:

Rielly>Phaneuf>Gardiner

Phaneuf in his current state is a fantastic top pairing #2 guy, Rielly has potential to be a #1 guy. Gardiner looks like a great 2nd pairing offensive d-man.

Phaneuf however has been elite in the past and is definitely regaining his old skill(he had a pretty above average year this year points wise at least)

Phaneuf-Rielly
Gardiner-Gunnar sounds like a great top 4 to me in a couple years.

our 3rd pairing needs work though, we need a couple stay at home guys.

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08-16-2012, 04:16 PM
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Just to reiterate, we're comparing primes!

Phaneuf's prime was at least (if there's not more to come) a Norris finalist with 60 points and an appetite for destruction.


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08-16-2012, 05:00 PM
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Phaneuf is entering defenseman prime right now,and it should be interesting watching him play in Carlyles (mixed)system of heavy offensive forcheck,neutral zone positioning,and heavy defensive zone puck pressure,with plenty of forwards defense responsibility involved.

Its a very technical system that i will not verbally snare as defensive either.

Phaneuf gets the advantage of a coaching that will be of considerabe help in his prime now,so i'll say Phaneuf because, who know what kind of coaching will be here for Gardiner/Rielly.

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08-16-2012, 05:14 PM
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I'm not really sure how were supposed to compare or guess here....3 different stages, and 3 different players in skill sets
lol - I hear ya, thats why I seldom if ever post in speculative threads like this and if I do I outline my reasoning and clearly state I'm not pretending I know how to read the future like many others do.

That said I do read these type of threads cuz I always get a great laugh at how some posters state their opinions like fact.

That said, nothing wrong with someone starting the thread for the sake of conversation.

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Considering one just finished his first year, and one was just drafted, this is pretty much impossible to say.

It also begs the question, which Phaneuf do we count as prime? The year that he scored a bunch and did big hits, which led to his Norris nomination? Or now, when he is better all-around, but not putting up the same kind of points?

It also begs the question, how do we judge Gardiner and Rielly? Based on what we believe they become, or what their top potential is?
Yea it's just a guessing game and in 10 years when we might have an actual read on the answer I doubt anyone is going to bump this thread.

That said, nothing wrong with someone starting the thread for the sake of conversation.

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08-16-2012, 05:18 PM
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This is an extremely hard question. Each of these guys are at different levels in their development. But on raw talent I'd go Rielly / Phaneuf / Gardiner

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08-17-2012, 01:52 AM
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You really don't expect Rielly to hit 60pts?

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08-17-2012, 02:13 AM
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Phaneuf > Gardiner > Reilly.

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08-17-2012, 02:21 AM
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Phaneuf > Gardiner > Reilly.
Phaneuf
Rielly
Gardiner

Meh who the hell cares, we have all 3.

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08-17-2012, 03:17 AM
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as long as you guys know that Phaneuf has tossed up some incredibly epic #... one 20g and lots of 15+, a couple of 50+pt seasons...huge hits...


The other 2 have some way to go before they are on his level. So I'll stick with Dion.

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08-17-2012, 04:51 AM
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Ah! So it's safe here to project what a player might turn into?

Don't wanna get my head chewed off for speculating on a kids future in unsafe waters.

I think Gards and Rielly can turn into #1s , one might even turn into a borderline franchiser.

Hard to say what constitutes "the better" , we all have our little differences of opinion in what we like in a D.

As noted earlier, I'm just glad we have all 3.

But if i had to guess i would say Hamilton.

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08-17-2012, 06:40 AM
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Ah! So it's safe here to project what a player might turn into?

Don't wanna get my head chewed off for speculating on a kids future in unsafe waters.

I think Gards and Rielly can turn into #1s , one might even turn into a borderline franchiser.

Hard to say what constitutes "the better" , we all have our little differences of opinion in what we like in a D.

As noted earlier, I'm just glad we have all 3.

But if i had to guess i would say Hamilton.
That is the beauty, we have all three.

But yeah, it's all in fun.

As for your last line, IMHO, Phaneuf>Rielly>Hamilton>Gardiner

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08-17-2012, 07:26 AM
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I say Gardiner.

We already know Phaneuf's high end . . . I honestly don't see him reaching it again. Rielly is a total unknown, other than being a high draft that was ranked a lot lower by most other teams. Gardiner . . . looked awesome, with loads of potential in his first year.

This Gardiner kid reminded me of an upgrade Kaberle when he first came into the league. But certainly looks like he has even MORE skill, MORE poise. I can't say enough about what I think his potential is, but I am projecting one of the top offensive defencemen in the game, north of 60 points for at least a few seasons, and being in Norris trophy conversations in the future. I really do see that, if one can, from a rookie season.

We'll see - but the future looks bright.

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How many seasons do you think it will take Rielly to make the big club? I think it won't take more than two years.

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Based on the type of game he plays, I'd say Phaneuf. Point producer and hits like a damn truck.

Hard to really say though. I haven't even seen Rielly play yet and Gardiner is just getting his feet wet. I hope they both give us reasons to have this discussion years from now.

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Phaneuf>Gardiner>Rielly>

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Wow. I really hope that Rielly is a HOFer because that's the only way he's going to live up to this fan bases expectations.

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