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08-17-2012, 01:50 AM
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Anyone else think a lockout/shortened season will help the 'Nucks?

1. Ryan Kesler will be back 100% healthy after a ridiculous amount of surgeries in a short period of time.

2. Vets like Malhotra, the Sedins, and Luongo if he is still here will benefit from a shorter season and more rest.

3. Gives guys like Tanev and Kassian who are using the off season to work on condition/specific skills more time to develop them.

4. If Jensen plays in Sweden, he will play against some awesome NHL players, thus giving the Canucks a better look at his development and his skill against NHL calibre guys.

5. We are going to be picking way up there in the draft lottery anyway, but when there is a lockout we have a shot at a better pick.

6. Daniel Sedin gets more time to recover from his concussion.

7. Ebbett, Volpatti and Pinizotto can be 100% healthy and give the Canucks a real look.

8. Ballard gets more recovery time.

9. Mason Raymond gets more time to train, after not being able to train much after the 2011 SCF.

10. I am sure GM's will get bored and talk to each other during a work stoppage...more time to find a centre and deal Luongo...

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08-17-2012, 01:58 AM
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1. Agree

2. Could be a good thing but could be a bad thing for Manny as he might get rusty. Don't think the Sedins will be affected that much

3. Disagree. They need to play NHL games in order to improve.

4. How many NHLers will go to Sweden anyways? I don't think it'll affect Jensen THAT much. It'll be a good thing for Jensen to play in Sweden either way

5. Possible

6. Yes but we don't know how severe his concussions is so he might be completely healthy right now

7. Aren't they already 100% healthy?

8. Recovery for what?

9. Again, I think he needs more time playing like Kassian and Tanev

10. That I agree.

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08-17-2012, 02:03 AM
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IF it is only shortened. I could see a full season down the drain: they've had ample opportunity to hammer things out, but have left it to the last minute.

Terrible thing all-round. Injured guys shouldn't come back early, guys that aren't ready shouldn't be rushed. Just give us hockey (us, not U.S.)

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I worry we'll win the short season and everyone will say it doesn't count.

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Con: LA will be fully rested.

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No, the Canucks are one of the best teams in the league. There is a window to win a cup for a team like this and it doesn't help to lose a year when all the pieces are in place.

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08-17-2012, 02:31 AM
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I worry we'll win the short season and everyone will say it doesn't count.
I'm sure Devils fans were thinking that in 1994. A win's a win.

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I'm sure Devils fans were thinking that in 1994. A win's a win.
How's it any different? You still gotta win 16 from April forward.

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08-17-2012, 03:15 AM
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I worry we'll win the short season and everyone will say it doesn't count.
I don't care what other people will say. If we were to win a cup, they will make excuses decrying us no matter how we do it.

Beating everyone else is still beating everyone else.

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08-17-2012, 03:16 AM
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that said, the risk of maybe losing a full season scares me. I'm at ease with a shortened season, perhaps starting in late November or early December.

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08-17-2012, 03:39 AM
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1. Agreed, I don't want to see Kesler rushed.
2. Disagree, these guys don't need time to get rusty. The team is always slow out the gate, and in a shortened season that could sink us.
3. Disagree, ice time is the best way to develop them.
4. Somewhat disagree, that's a bit of a stretch.
5. Only if we lose the entire season.
6. Daniel should be good to go by now, I don't think more time will do anything.
7. Meh, good for them I guess, but these guys are dime-a-dozen in this league.
8. Ballard needs to fix the mental side of his game, more time off won't do that.
9. The offseason was already long enough, Mason needs to get confidence back by playing.
10. I don't think there will be any trades happening during the lockout. I can't remember any trades happening during 2004-2005, but I could be mistaken.

Kesler is the lone positive I see. I think a shortened season benefits a younger, long shot underdog team more because all they need is a hot streak, and there won't be time left in the season to expose them.

The lockout benefits other teams too, some more than Vancouver. With a short summer of partying, LA could have dropped right out of the playoff picture like Carolina did after their fluke run. Extra rest time benefits them greatly.

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There's defeinitely some benefits to a lockout, although I think it'll only be a short one.

A shortened season will help a team who has the toughest travel schedule. Aka The Canucks.
It also gives Gillis more time to resign Burrows, maybe Edler. With them locked up, he can determine how much cap space he'll have to play with for the next few yrs - and how that will play into a goalie trade.
He'll also get to see his prospects play more often, maybe help evaluate organizational needs.
Kesler will have more time to recover, same with Daniel. Edler played all season with a broken finger, hopefully that'll heal within the time span.


As someone already mentioned, the downside is LA won't be going into next season with the same disadvantages that Boston and Van had - a short summer. I'd normally write them off in the playoffs next yr - likely get bounced in 1st round. But if there's a shortened season, they'll be dangerous.

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08-17-2012, 04:00 AM
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Shortens Schneiders workload is the most important thing imo. He wont have to start 60 instead just jump from 25-30 to 30-35.

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There are so many negatives, I don't see how they can possibly make up for the one positive, which is Kesler not being rushed back, and being given time to heal.

It's really a terrible thing for not only the Canucks, but for the whole NHL.

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08-17-2012, 04:12 AM
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I'd be really interested in seeing Ballard on international/big ice. His speed and puck rushing would do pretty well with the extra space. Hopefully he can get a contract in Sweden or the Swiss league.

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It's a good thing for every contender out there. All in all, doesn't affect us too much.

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08-17-2012, 09:47 AM
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Won't guys like Tanev and Kassian play in the AHL if there's a lockout?

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Shortened season yes. Lost season no. We lose a season our core gets a year older. Guys like Tanev are nowhere near being at the level to step up and replace the players who are getting older. Canucks are in a win now mode and the window is open now. How many of our top 9 will still be under 30 by the start of the 13/14 season? We will use 10-01-13 as the bench mark

answer before you look it up

Both Sedin will be 33 dob 9-26-80
Burrows will be 32 dob 4-11-81
Kesler will be 29 dob 8-31-84
HIggens 30 dob 6-2-83
Booth 28 about to turn 29 dob 11-24-84
Mannyif still here 33
Raymond will be 28
Hanson will be 28
Mad Max 28
Kassian will still be a kid at 22

then on the D
Bieska 32
Garrison will about to turn 29
Hamhuis 30 going on 31 in December
Ballard will be 30 going on 31
Edler 28
Alberts 32
Tanev 24

Some fans love our system. But the guys who developed the steals we have on our rosters are now stealing players for the leafs. We lose a season we lose a chance at winning. A shortened season helps us. A lost season causes us to start retooling

Call me a pessimist but I do no see Gillis getting as much as some people think for Luongo and I have not been a fan of his drafting record so far.

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08-17-2012, 10:16 AM
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Well what matters is the relative difference on our team compared to others.

If our Jensen gets a better development arena in Sweden will other teams' prospects get the same?

We are a fairly settled team both in terms of players and head coach. So compared to for example the Wild we should be better prepared for a play off with less matches under our belts in the regular season.

Overall though I think the effect will be negible. Could easily argue that it would be tougher to get out of the West with Kings getting more rest after their run last year - making it tougher for us with a shorter season.

Edit: As for a lost season - that would be a disaster.

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I'll take a Stanley Cup, then watch the main board cars under the use of the word "asterisk" two billion times in a single day.

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There's nothing good about another work stoppage. These owners are killing themselves with stupid contracts. Why should we as fans be forced to suffer thanks to their incompetence and greed?

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There's nothing good about another work stoppage. These owners are killing themselves with stupid contracts. Why should we as fans be forced to suffer thanks to their incompetence and greed?
There is no foolproof protection for a group of people that will immediately hire experts to find ways around the protections they just installed.

If it wasn't so serious, it would be hard to take them seriously.

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08-17-2012, 05:31 PM
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this team has historically started slow. i can see it going one of two ways:

1. the team starts slow, doesn't get going soon enough, misses the playoffs. this could be especially true if one or two other NW division teams get off to hot starts (say, minnesota and one of colorado and edmonton).

2. team starts slow, gets going. enters the playoffs in mid-season mode when they are killing everyone. wins cup.

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Boy, now that you've polished this turd up real nice it smells just great.

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this team has historically started slow. i can see it going one of two ways:

1. the team starts slow, doesn't get going soon enough, misses the playoffs. this could be especially true if one or two other NW division teams get off to hot starts (say, minnesota and one of colorado and edmonton).

2. team starts slow, gets going. enters the playoffs in mid-season mode when they are killing everyone. wins cup.
I really, really like you second proposition.

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