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08-17-2012, 11:04 AM
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Patrik Elias and David Clarkson

Assuming the worst happens and the Devils are out of a playoff spot, what would be a fair return for each of these players at the deadline?

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Elias would probably get a return of a first round pick, a top prospect and a top 9 forward.

Clarkson might get a slightly worse return. Maybe a first rounder, second rounder and a mid-top prospect

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08-17-2012, 11:07 AM
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The Devils could be dead last in the standings again, and Elias would still not be traded.

Clarkson would not net a 1st rounder, either.

These are 2 cases where there value is higher with the Devils than they would be to anyone else, though.

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For the Devils sake, they should hope the next CBA allows them to trade players for money.

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The Devils could be dead last in the standings again, and Elias would still not be traded.

Clarkson would not net a 1st rounder, either.

These are 2 cases where there value is higher with the Devils than they would be to anyone else, though.
Gaustad went for a 1st.

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08-17-2012, 11:13 AM
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Gaustad went for a 1st.
I'm not sure that's the best precedent.
Weak trade market, followed by a weaker UFA market.
Everything was a little over valued.

Plus Nashville was gunning for it and was projected to be a late first rounder, anyway.

It could happen, but I wouldn't get my hopes up expecting that kind of return for Clarkson.

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If Clarkson only gets 20 goals he will command more than a first round pick. You are way off.

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In what world is Patrick Elias worth 3+ pieces as a deadline acquisition??? Granted he's a great player but no way would he be worth that.

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In what world is Patrick Elias worth 3+ pieces as a deadline acquisition??? Granted he's a great player but no way would he be worth that.
In a parallel universe where the Devils actually trade Elias.

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In what world is Patrick Elias worth 3+ pieces as a deadline acquisition??? Granted he's a great player but no way would he be worth that.
Ok please tell me what you think he would be worth?

Let me give you some of his credentials:

2 cups, top 10 in points last year while playing second line minutes with average offensive linemates facing the top competition

I think a team will pay what i said without hesitation

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Ok please tell me what you think he would be worth?

Let me give you some of his credentials:

2 cups, top 10 in points last year while playing second line minutes with average offensive linemates facing the top competition

I think a team will pay what i said without hesitation
His massive 8 points in 24 games in the playoffs will deter most buyers from paying that price.

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Ok please tell me what you think he would be worth?

Let me give you some of his credentials:

2 cups, top 10 in points last year while playing second line minutes with average offensive linemates facing the top competition

I think a team will pay what i said without hesitation
a 1st and maybe a B-level prospect.. he's a good player but he isn't Elite talent.

You're team alone is a prime example... Kovalchuk was traded for a 1st, top 9 forward and a prospect... plus some extra equal parts going both ways (i.e Anssi & 2nd for Oduya & 2nd)

Marian Hossa was traded with Dupuis for Colby Armstrong, E.Christensen, Esposito and a 1st.

again.. around the same type of deal your are implying people would spend for a much older Elias who's past his prime and is definitely not in the same kind of Category as Kovalchuk's and Hossa's of the NHL.

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His massive 8 points in 24 games in the playoffs will deter most buyers from paying that price.
He had to have surgery done on his groin after them.

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Never, ever will these guys get traded. Not even a question.

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Yeah neither will be traded..

And all of you just keep underrating Elias, 78 points last year. But seriously just keep under estimating him.

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his name is PATRIK, not PATRICK

you'd think a 'Devils' fan would know that.

and I think these would be among the last 2 guys Lou would trade under any circumstances.

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As a fan of Detroit, I could see them wanting a guy like Clarkson Toughness along with some scoring at times,playoff experience. Maybe Justin Abdelkader, B rate prospect, and a pick going the other way.

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a 1st and maybe a B-level prospect.. he's a good player but he isn't Elite talent.

You're team alone is a prime example... Kovalchuk was traded for a 1st, top 9 forward and a prospect... plus some extra equal parts going both ways (i.e Anssi & 2nd for Oduya & 2nd)

Marian Hossa was traded with Dupuis for Colby Armstrong, E.Christensen, Esposito and a 1st.

again.. around the same type of deal your are implying people would spend for a much older Elias who's past his prime and is definitely not in the same kind of Category as Kovalchuk's and Hossa's of the NHL.
The trade was a 1st, 2nd, a young 20G scorer, a top 4 dman and a prospect

for kovy salmella and a second




Plus Elias' 125 points in 162 playoff games is something a GM would pay high for

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08-17-2012, 01:25 PM
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The trade was a 1st, 2nd, a young 20G scorer, a top 4 dman and a prospect

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Plus Elias' 125 points in 162 playoff games is something a GM would pay high for
Not that high... and definitely not for a 36yr old

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his name is PATRIK, not PATRICK

you'd think a 'Devils' fan would know that.

and I think these would be among the last 2 guys Lou would trade under any circumstances.
lol why do people continue to point out spelling mistakes? I didnt Spell his name Sean Avery. Relax.

I can see lou not trading Elias, but why exactly is clarky not tradeable?

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The trade was a 1st, 2nd, a young 20G scorer, a top 4 dman and a prospect

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Plus Elias' 125 points in 162 playoff games is something a GM would pay high for
You're not going to get fair value in return for a 36 year old 1/2 season rental.
Unless Lou is fleecing someone terribly.

And, if the Devils are in such a terrible position that they're trading Elias - highly unlikely as it already is - that would have to mean players like Elias were underperforming. That'll take that much more away from his overall worth.

The Devils value Elias' career more than any other GM will.
Unless you find a GM of a bubble team in DESPERATE need of a vet on the wing to prepare a young team for a playoff run.
Even then... still won't get what you're asking for.

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Not that high... and definitely not for a 36yr old
Well I guess you can undervalue him all you want.

GMs would kill for his experience. That alone is worth a 1st rounder. At age 36 he put up 78 points, top 10 in the league.
When you add his scoring ability to the equation, that will bring in more value.

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There you have it: Elias ranked 82 in NHL 13. Personally, I think that is low. What about those of you whose opinions differed? Is that low, high, accurate?

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Only on HF are we gauging someone's trade value by his NHL 13 rating

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Only on HF are we making insinuations without reading an actual comment

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Only on HF are we making insinuations without reading an actual comment
Why would you bring it up then? You clearly threw that in there just to show how "highly rated" he's seen and throwing that EA crap around like it has any value to the discussion or real-life perception of a player... Plain and Simple Patrik Elias is a great player, a solid vet who can still put up points. I am sure lots of teams would love to have his veteran presence and scoring ability on their team... but at the cost of a 1st, Top 9 Forward and a prospect? Not a chance. He's 36yrs old, going to be a UFA, more then likely wouldn't re-sign with the team so therefore you are trading for a guy for roughly half a season and playoffs... no way anyone would mortgage that kind of future for a rental player unless it's someone like i've mentioned before like a Kovalchuk or Hossa who were in their primes and had a chance to re-sign them and Elias is not that. At MOST I could see someone trading is like when Ottawa was on the cusp of contending and traded Brooks Laich (decent prospect) and a 2nd for Peter Brondra (who was an aging veteran forward who still had a scoring touch) in this case most likely a 1st. So it goes along with my initial valuation... Elias IF traded at the deadline would most likely fetch a 1st and a B-Level prospect.

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