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08-17-2012, 03:13 PM
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Dont think it adds any kind of value. Just thought it was a low figure for him.

Any way. If sens were in the situation I described, what would be a fair return for Alfredson?

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Spelling police, outlandish statements regarding players values......if you didn't know you were visiting HF during the summer you do now.

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08-17-2012, 03:39 PM
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Dont think it adds any kind of value. Just thought it was a low figure for him.

Any way. If sens were in the situation I described, what would be a fair return for Alfredson?
Well putting my homerism aside I still believe Alfredsson has more value then Elias.. but if we were trading him away to allow him to try and win a cup... I think the sens would probably want a 1st and top prospect

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I wouldn't trade Elias for that package

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08-17-2012, 04:02 PM
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Well putting my homerism aside I still believe Alfredsson has more value then Elias.. but if we were trading him away to allow him to try and win a cup... I think the sens would probably want a 1st and top prospect
Ok I guess we will do it the way it should be done.

Elias Age 36, Last two years:
GP G A P
81 21 41 62
81 26 52 78

Alfredsson Age 39
GP G A P
54 14 17 31
75 27 32 59

Can you try putting your homerism aside once more plz

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08-17-2012, 04:06 PM
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Elias will not ever be traded.

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08-17-2012, 04:08 PM
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Elias only 82 in NHL13, this obviously means he's going to be traded for a 3rd rounder.

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08-17-2012, 04:17 PM
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Elias will not ever be traded.
You're wrong

If Gretzky can be traded, then Elias can be traded.

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08-17-2012, 04:35 PM
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Ok I guess we will do it the way it should be done.

Elias Age 36, Last two years:
GP G A P
81 21 41 62
81 26 52 78

Alfredsson Age 39
GP G A P
54 14 17 31
75 27 32 59

Can you try putting your homerism aside once more plz
I'm glad all you did is go on NHL.com and looked up stats. first off... Alfredsson brings so much more to the team then just stats, he was also coming back from a serious back surgery. He's the longest serving captain in the NHL for reason and he's 3 years older then Elias. If you want to get all technical with me and throw stats out the ass here's Alfredsson when he was 35-36 like Elias

GP G A P
70 40 49 89
79 20 54 74

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08-17-2012, 04:37 PM
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You're wrong

If Gretzky can be traded, then Elias can be traded.
Uhuh

Elias wont waive his NTC. 2 years ago their were reports that he used his NTC to nix a deal to the Kings I believe it was.

He wont be traded

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08-17-2012, 04:48 PM
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His massive 8 points in 24 games in the playoffs will deter most buyers from paying that price.
He's one of the strongest playoff performers of his generation. He lead the NHL in playoff points this past decade.

The fact that he had groin surgery, on the same groin he had surgery on several years ago, immediately after the playoffs ended kind tells you all that you need to know.

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a 1st and maybe a B-level prospect.. he's a good player but he isn't Elite talent.

You're team alone is a prime example... Kovalchuk was traded for a 1st, top 9 forward and a prospect... plus some extra equal parts going both ways (i.e Anssi & 2nd for Oduya & 2nd)

Marian Hossa was traded with Dupuis for Colby Armstrong, E.Christensen, Esposito and a 1st.

again.. around the same type of deal your are implying people would spend for a much older Elias who's past his prime and is definitely not in the same kind of Category as Kovalchuk's and Hossa's of the NHL.
First of all, what planet are you on that Anssi Salmela = Johnny Oduya?

He just finished top-10 in NHL scoring. So I don't know what the whole 'past his prime' thing is all about.

And did I mention he's elite defensively, plays on both special teams units, and can play any forward position?

He's a borderline HHoF'er with phenomenal playoff credentials, those aren't available on the market everyday.

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08-17-2012, 04:58 PM
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He's one of the strongest playoff performers of his generation. He lead the NHL in playoff points this past decade.

The fact that he had groin surgery, on the same groin he had surgery on several years ago, immediately after the playoffs ended kind tells you all that you need to know.



First of all, what planet are you on that Anssi Salmela = Johnny Oduya?

He just finished top-10 in NHL scoring. So I don't know what the whole 'past his prime' thing is all about.

And did I mention he's elite defensively, plays on both special teams units, and can play any forward position?

He's a borderline HHoF'er with phenomenal playoff credentials, those aren't available on the market everyday.
Where in any of my posts did i write past his prime? Regardless, he's still an aging veteran and a UFA at the deadline.... You won't get 3+ pieces for him.

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08-17-2012, 05:02 PM
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His massive 8 points in 24 games in the playoffs will deter most buyers from paying that price.
He also had surgery for a groin injury right after the playoffs ended. Probably had something to do with it. But let's conveniently ignore the 78 points he scored in the regular season playing the majority of the time with Sykora and Zubrus, the "geezer line", as we called them.

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and I think these would be among the last 2 guys Lou would trade under any circumstances.
Agreed. Pretty much only Marty is ahead of them in that regard. Elias is a lifer, and Lou values that. Clarkson is insanely loyal to the organisation, and Lou values that too.

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Elias wont waive his NTC. 2 years ago their were reports that he used his NTC to nix a deal to the Kings I believe it was.
That never happened, it was just speculation, most of it on here. Lou has never attempted to move Elias that we know about, and if he has, it hasn't leaked. Don't misinform people.

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08-17-2012, 05:04 PM
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That never happened, it was just speculation, most of it on here. Lou has never attempted to move Elias that we know about, and if he has, it hasn't leaked. Don't misinform people.
My bad, I remember something like that.

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a 1st and maybe a B-level prospect.. he's a good player but he isn't Elite talent.

You're team alone is a prime example... Kovalchuk was traded for a 1st, top 9 forward and a prospect... plus some extra equal parts going both ways (i.e Anssi & 2nd for Oduya & 2nd)

Marian Hossa was traded with Dupuis for Colby Armstrong, E.Christensen, Esposito and a 1st.

again.. around the same type of deal your are implying people would spend for a much older Elias who's past his prime and is definitely not in the same kind of Category as Kovalchuk's and Hossa's of the NHL.
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Where in any of my posts did i write past his prime? Regardless, he's still an aging veteran and a UFA at the deadline.... You won't get 3+ pieces for him.
Come on, please make this more difficult.

No, the Devils probably wouldn't get a huge return for him, but if that's the case, he wouldn't be moved. This is probably all moot anyway, because the Devils are likely to make the playoffs this season.

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08-17-2012, 05:13 PM
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Come on, please make this more difficult.

No, the Devils probably wouldn't get a huge return for him, but if that's the case, he wouldn't be moved. This is probably all moot anyway, because the Devils are likely to make the playoffs this season.
Haha whoops guess it slipped in there... Well regardless if he's still contributing I think we can all agree that he's best years are obviously behind him... And all I'm arguing is the fact that the OP is adamant that Elias would fetch that return when it's obvious he wouldn't even though he is a good player and devils lifer

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08-17-2012, 05:58 PM
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I'm glad all you did is go on NHL.com and looked up stats. first off... Alfredsson brings so much more to the team then just stats, he was also coming back from a serious back surgery. He's the longest serving captain in the NHL for reason and he's 3 years older then Elias. If you want to get all technical with me and throw stats out the ass here's Alfredsson when he was 35-36 like Elias

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elias doesnt bring other things to NJ then just stats? And you made the arguement that alfredsson is worth more now than elias

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08-17-2012, 07:32 PM
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I'm glad all you did is go on NHL.com and looked up stats. first off... Alfredsson brings so much more to the team then just stats, he was also coming back from a serious back surgery. He's the longest serving captain in the NHL for reason and he's 3 years older then Elias. If you want to get all technical with me and throw stats out the ass here's Alfredsson when he was 35-36 like Elias

GP G A P
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79 20 54 74
Wow i actually missed this earlier.

Why bring up his stats from the same age?
Its not like that means anything today.

You seriously neeed to take the homer glasses off bud

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08-17-2012, 08:29 PM
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Haha whoops guess it slipped in there... Well regardless if he's still contributing I think we can all agree that he's best years are obviously behind him... And all I'm arguing is the fact that the OP is adamant that Elias would fetch that return when it's obvious he wouldn't even though he is a good player and devils lifer
Elias wont fetch a huge return, and unless he does, he will stay a Devil

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Haha whoops guess it slipped in there... Well regardless if he's still contributing I think we can all agree that he's best years are obviously behind him... And all I'm arguing is the fact that the OP is adamant that Elias would fetch that return when it's obvious he wouldn't even though he is a good player and devils lifer
You've been equally adamant that Alfredsson would fetch more in trade than Elias. He's a good player, but he's older, his best years are definitely behind him, and he is a Senators lifer. Same arguments apply, except that Elias has been more productive recently, which is why we think he'd have more value in trade than Alfredsson.

Again, none of this matters, because neither of these guys will be traded anyway, unless it's at their direct request.

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elias is our best forward defensively, one of our team's biggest leaders and a candidate for captain, and can still put up points even if last season was most likely his last great one. not to mention he's been with the devils his whole career and has already won the cup. elias leaving the devils is almost as ridiculous an idea as marty leaving the devils. i give it about a .1 % chance of happening.

also it would take either some serious injuries or simply a monumental collapse for the devils to be out of it by the deadline. parise is obviously a big loss and ponikarovsky is also gone, but otherwise they return a team that finished well over 100 points last year. i don't think they'll be as good, but they won't be so bad that they're sellers.

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Elias' value is not a 1st, top. 9 forward and a top prospect. His value is around what Iglina would fetch which is a 1st and a mid level prospect. He's a good player and all but come on... He's 36 and you devil fans are acting like he's 25 years old and just out up 90pts..

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a 1st and maybe a B-level prospect.. he's a good player but he isn't Elite talent.

You're team alone is a prime example... Kovalchuk was traded for a 1st, top 9 forward and a prospect... plus some extra equal parts going both ways (i.e Anssi & 2nd for Oduya & 2nd)

Marian Hossa was traded with Dupuis for Colby Armstrong, E.Christensen, Esposito and a 1st.

again.. around the same type of deal your are implying people would spend for a much older Elias who's past his prime and is definitely not in the same kind of Category as Kovalchuk's and Hossa's of the NHL.
using don waddell as an example for what to expect from trades in your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

the point isn't that elias is worth a 1st, roster player, and prospect. the point is that that is what we would want to trade him, an overpayment.

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Would this be a fair trade value wise?

To Nashville: Elias

To NJ: 1st rd pick, Halischuk, and one of their better forward prospects

Dont know much about their farm

I dont see how that isnt the minimum for Elias

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How is Elias not an elite talent? What's the definition for elite? top 9 in scoring? He put up 78 pts centring Sykora and Zubrus playing the toughest minutes on the team. Played through torn groin and all.

He's not worth a lot at the deadline because of his contract but at least make a plausible argument.

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