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08-17-2012, 02:35 PM
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All Skill, No Finish

Hey guys. Long time lurker, first time poster! Love this place. An absolute wealth of knowledge.

Who are the players with the most skill but the least finish??

I attempted a search but couldn't find anything. Thanks!


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08-17-2012, 02:50 PM
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Pet peeve of mine - "finishing" is a skill. I don't know why skill = fancy stickhandling for so many people.

Now that I'm done ranting, I'll say Viktor Kozlov definitely fits that profile

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Maxim Afinogenov?

I love the Jason Blake answer.

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08-17-2012, 03:56 PM
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Looking through HR's worst shooting percentages, a lot of grinders and enforcers no matter how high I set the minimum for shots, but I really have to point out that Patrick O'Sullivan has a career 6.9 shooting percentage. That's just miserable. Scott Gomez has a career 7.3 mark, but I think the question here isn't "who was a playmaker".

Also of random note, Andy Bathgate, Henri Richard, Bob Pulford and Claude Provost all show up on HR's list of worst career shooting percentages, which doesn't really mean much because the stat only appears starting in the late 60s, with all the players somewhat on the decline. Still doesn't explain why they were taking so many shots - you would think that as a player aged and became less effective, they'd get fewer chances as well as score fewer goals.

Also, I think this question can be taken to mean more than simply "fancy stickhandling." Any skill related to driving the play could qualify, even if it doesn't result in goal scoring. A guy like Darren Helm could qualify, even if he isn't exactly known for nifty dangles. Jason Blake and Russ Courtnall didn't really have Afinogenov's array of moves, but they both handled the puck a hell of a lot without really getting anywhere with it.

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Radek Dvorak comes to mind. Fast skater, slick puck skills, had a decent shot, but apart from that one 31-goal season with the Rangers, his goal totals were usually stuck in the teens.

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Raw skill but lacked the mental part required to think the game to conclusion and to polish the raw skill. To adjust the body position to situations.

Compare Eddie Shack to Yvon Lambert. Shack was a much better skater, better passer, better shooter but Lambert could battle yet retain the body position to optimize and convert his scoring opportunities.

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08-17-2012, 11:29 PM
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Steve Tambellini... the guy could dipsy-doodle all over the ice and deke everyone twice before falling down, whiffing on the puck or passing it to the other team.

As my buddies used to say (to the tune of Mr. Tambourine Man)...

Hey Mr. Tambellini, skate around for me

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I always felt this way about Matthew Lombardi, especially his early years with the flames. The guy could flat fly and had great hands to boot. I could never figure him out.

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Maybe a weird choice, but Milan Jurcina has (after this offseason probably had) one of the hardest shot in the league. Very underrated, but this skill was recognized by more posters in this forum.
Shame he never made it through 10 goals in a season.

Jozef Stumpel was really a talented, skilled playmaker (so I dont know if this counts), but he had hard times to got over 20 in a season. Not to mention his goals/points ratio is one of the worst in his history among forwards (season 8 goals and 58 points). With better finishing he would be TOP10 in points probably more times than once.

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I just remember when Marchant was an Oiler, and he'd get like 2 break aways per game but wouldn't score on any of them.

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Sergei Samsonov (post rookie season). Used to circle around the offensive zone, but could never crack 30 goals.

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Pet peeve of mine - "finishing" is a skill. I don't know why skill = fancy stickhandling for so many people.
I've always found "finishing" to be a lot more instinct than mechanical skill.

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Valeri Bure comes to mind. He exploded offensively in 1999-00 with 35 goals and 75 points. His best seasons besides that one year were quite the steep drop off in points, with seasons of 55, 53, 52, 42, 38, 35, 28 points. He had a lot of talent but he was often injured and didn't have much finish to his game. Unlike his brother.

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came here to post this . he would skate around everyone in the offensive zone as if they were cones.... but didn't score much.

most spectacular player i've seen in mtl, even more than kovalev. but that's my opinion.

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max afinogenov was the first player to come to mind when i saw the title. the guy could skate like the wind and burn defenders, but never knew quite what to do with the puck when he got into a scoring position. scored quite a few highlight reel goals though.

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I just remember when Marchant was an Oiler, and he'd get like 2 break aways per game but wouldn't score on any of them.
I can remember one breakaway he scored on, and that was the epic OT against Dallas in the playoffs.

One out of a thousand?

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