I worry what would happen to Kinsler's OBP in Murphy's free-swinging batting approach, so I'd want to see a change of batting coach in the bargain, but sure, he's an improvement on KJ.
As to that lineup, I'm at the stage where I'd rather see Sierra or Cooper DHing ahead of Lind, but maybe that's just me.
I don't see how it would be possible for you guys to trade for a top 2B (like Kinsler or Uggla) AND trade for a solid #2-3 starter
Sure you guys have a great farm system no question but do you really see AA throwing practically everything he's got on two veteran unknown entities?
I undertand that both guys would go a long way to improving the MLB team in the present but it just doesn't seem like something AA would do
One big trade where you give up solid prospects for a proven MLB #2-3 SP is definitely within reach but two big trades? I think that's asking for a little much
I don't see how it would be possible for you guys to trade for a top 2B (like Kinsler or Uggla) AND trade for a solid #2-3 starter
Sure you guys have a great farm system no question but do you really see AA throwing practically everything he's got on two veteran unknown entities?
I undertand that both guys would go a long way to improving the MLB team in the present but it just doesn't seem like something AA would do
One big trade where you give up solid prospects for a proven MLB #2-3 SP is definitely within reach but two big trades? I think that's asking for a little much
Not to mention, offence isn't even the biggest worry right now.
Looks like this is good news for us, Mets to be booted out of AAA in Buffalo in favour of Toronto. Getting out of Vegas, nice park, close to Toronto, this is just unreal news.
Great news on the developmental front. Hopefully this increases the Jays presence in Buff as most there are Yankee fans.
Loving the Buffalo news. The hitters will be easier to evaluate without the park factor inflation, and the pitching prospects will have less PPTSD (pre-and-post-traumatic-stress-disorder) when they take the hill. Plus, the team is sooooo much closer.
In other minor league news, pretty cool and amazing how the 51's keep winning despite the roster ravaging. And Tuffy Gosewich is pretty close to an all-time great minor league catcher name, isn't it?
Not too many incredible performances on the farm, but Kellen Sweeney had another nice game (2-4 with a HR and SB). Christian Lopes had a 3-7/hr double header and has an OPS of .823 - and isn't yet 20. DJ Davis is hitting in Bluefield. Brandon Morrow was fine in his last rehab start and is due back soon.
Not the O's but I am the Rays. The O's have been terrible almost as long as the Jays have and they have not rebuilt their farm system to a point they can sustain success, I think it would be completely ridiculous and terrible luck on our part that the one team in the AL east who has been the most ineptly run squeaks into the playoffs before we do. I hope they fall flat on their face and I highly doubt they are in it this long next year, they don't have the pitching depth to sustain it long enough. This year is a complete fluke.
How many organizations do this rebuilding the farm system and having sustained success? NY does it because of payroll, Bos has failed, TB is getting better but they are due for a fall shortly. Texas maybe but they go against your model because they spend lots of money on guys like Beltre and Darvish. There's really nobody in the NL either. It's nice to have hope of sustained success but it really is a fallacy in baseball now. You go year to year and take your shot when it comes.
How many organizations do this rebuilding the farm system and having sustained success? NY does it because of payroll, Bos has failed, TB is getting better but they are due for a fall shortly. Texas maybe but they go against your model because they spend lots of money on guys like Beltre and Darvish. There's really nobody in the NL either. It's nice to have hope of sustained success but it really is a fallacy in baseball now. You go year to year and take your shot when it comes.
Actually AA is following the Texas model. Texas was the first team to use the "Relievers for comp picks" strategy and they collected a huge pile of assets for its farm system. They then built up a core group and when finally ready to compete traded for Cliff Lee. After a world series appearance they went out and brought in Beltre and a 2nd for Darvish (while letting CJ Wilson go too) I believe Texas had a payroll of 70-80 Million in their first world series too, not unlike what our payroll currently is now.
The whole point of what we are doing is to build a foundation of players we can rely on for multiple years, then augment it with Prospects (trade/on roster) and Free Agents as needed while keeping the team clear of dead salary. Keep in mind Texas is about 3-4 years ahead of where we are. It is not unreasonable to expect us to add that "Cliff Lee" this offseason.
Loving the Buffalo news. The hitters will be easier to evaluate without the park factor inflation, and the pitching prospects will have less PPTSD (pre-and-post-traumatic-stress-disorder) when they take the hill. Plus, the team is sooooo much closer.
In other minor league news, pretty cool and amazing how the 51's keep winning despite the roster ravaging. And Tuffy Gosewich is pretty close to an all-time great minor league catcher name, isn't it?
Not too many incredible performances on the farm, but Kellen Sweeney had another nice game (2-4 with a HR and SB). Christian Lopes had a 3-7/hr double header and has an OPS of .823 - and isn't yet 20. DJ Davis is hitting in Bluefield. Brandon Morrow was fine in his last rehab start and is due back soon.
sweeney is one of my darkhorse prospects. I really think Sweeney could become something for us
No and it makes me kinda puke Orioles could get into the playoffs before us and with that roster too.
I'm in the same boat as you. Out of all the losses this year, that sweep by baltimore stings the most. I don't hate their organization or their team, but to see them performing better than us at this point (albiet everyone is injured) really grinds my gears.
Looks like this is good news for us, Mets to be booted out of AAA in Buffalo in favour of Toronto. Getting out of Vegas, nice park, close to Toronto, this is just unreal news.
This is fantastic news! I was quietly hoping for Ottawa, but this isn't a bad fallback option. Closer to the Toronto, closer to the fans. Awesome.
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He just hurt himself at the plate....looked like his groin ..think we have seen this before. He was taken out.
I've caught a few Pirates games of late and he seems to be in a platoon situation with Marte and Cutch getting the majority of playing time. Also sporting nagging injuries the last few weeks keeping him out of the lineup. Shifts between the 2nd and 5th spots. That's just a little update. Wish him the best going forward.
Man, looking at Alvarez's stats right now and wow, they are absolutely brutal.
Lefties have an .890 OPS against and a 30/24 BB/K (!!!) against him. I mean wow, he is walking more than striking out and his ERA has gone up big time monthly.
FIP is 5.18. WAR is 0.4. He's been hurt big time by the long ball as he is giving up 1.35 HR/9. Doesn't help that he's got a ridiculously high HR/FB ratio at 16.8%. That % is good for 3rd highest in the league so maybe he is getting unlucky but he his HR were leaving around the same % as last year and the weird thing is, he is getting even more groundballs than last year (GB% is elite at 4th best in the league). It's weird that he gets so many groundballs but a lot of his flyballs are leaving the yard. His swinging strike % is the worst in the league.
I'm not trying to rip on Alvarez or be negative but Alvarez needs a lot of work and should definitely start next season in the minors. I like the upside but his change-up (well off-speed stuff) and command needs a lot of work.
Man, looking at Alvarez's stats right now and wow, they are absolutely brutal.
Lefties have an .890 OPS against and a 30/24 BB/K (!!!) against him. I mean wow, he is walking more than striking out and his ERA has gone up big time monthly.
FIP is 5.18. WAR is 0.4. He's been hurt big time by the long ball as he is giving up 1.35 HR/9. Doesn't help that he's got a ridiculously high HR/FB ratio at 16.8%. That % is good for 3rd highest in the league so maybe he is getting unlucky but he his HR were leaving around the same % as last year and the weird thing is, he is getting even more groundballs than last year (GB% is elite at 4th best in the league). It's weird that he gets so many groundballs but a lot of his flyballs are leaving the yard. His swinging strike % is the worst in the league.
I'm not trying to rip on Alvarez or be negative but Alvarez needs a lot of work and should definitely start next season in the minors. I like the upside but his change-up (well off-speed stuff) and command needs a lot of work.
Where would we ever get that idea?
Anyway, yeah. Kid's 22. The league has a book on him now. They know he's got one pitch. He's still got plenty of room to develop. I wouldn't mind him playing in AAA (as long as its not in the PCL). He has great stuff, just needs to refine and develop a reliable secondary pitch.
All three are having career seasons right now and I could keep going too - I'm not trying to be smug about this but when you play in Yankee stadium you can last beyond your years.
People need to realize this - older players predominately play well for the Yankees because they A) have higher expectations to play well and B) because many of them are in a winning organization for the first time in their MLB careers (Ichiro) and know that time is running out for them
Of course the downside is the Yankees will always have a large amount of injuries any given year but as long as all or at least most of the team is healthy when it matters in October, who really cares how they are through April - September. Again not trying to be smug but the Yankees meaningful baseball only starts in October - they could give two ***** about April-September
Even with a ton of injuries though the Yankees will always have the resources to replace key players when guys go down - truthfully the Yankees have had at least close to the amount of injuries the Jays have had, the only difference is the Yankees can pick up a Ichiro to replace Brett Gardner and have Rafeal Soriano in their back pocket to replace Rivera.
Sorry for the novel but basically my only point is don't expect the Yankees to just go away even when Jeter and A-Rod are well into their 40s - sure there might be some off years no question and sure it might take a few seasons to get back to being a WS contender but the Yankees will always be the Yankees in terms of $$$$$
We know your a Yankee fan and feel a need to defend them but we see it differently than you. I stopped reading after you posted the career year stuff. The belief older players play better because their yankees was all I needed to read.
We know your a Yankee fan and feel a need to defend them but we see it differently than you. I stopped reading after you posted the career year stuff. The belief older players play better because their yankees was all I needed to read.
Hiroki Kuroda is having the best season of his career right now playing in the toughest division in baseball after pitching his entire career in the NL
That's not me defending the Yankees - those are just the facts
Also, if you don't think Chavez or Jeter are having career years then you should probably stop talking baseball immediately
I'm not saying ALL older players play well for the Yankees but a lot of the time yeah we get veterans who give it their all because they know they don't have many years left and they want to win - not saying vets don't give it their all for other teams as well but for many guys the Yankees is their best shot at winning a championship, so guys give it everything they've got because they don't want to **** that up
Ichiro is another great example - yeah it's not a big sample size but check out the difference in his numbers:
With SEA - .261 AVG, .288 OBP, 15 2B, 4 HR, 28 RBI in 402 AB
With NYY - .322 AVG, .344 OBP, 5 2B, 3 HR, 13 RBI in 87 AB
Yes Yankee Stadium is wayyyy more offensive than Safeco but still an offensive park will only take a guy so far, they still need to hit the ball and put it into play.
Like I have repeatedly said, it's NOT like every single veteran who plays for the Yankees will all of a sudden become a great player, that would be ludicrous to suggest.
With that said though it certainly does happen where players decide to kick it into a higher gear and in turn preform better for the Yankees than they would for really just about any other team
I hate to sound like such a dick about this but if you look at the facts really nothing that I'm saying is that far off
Man, looking at Alvarez's stats right now and wow, they are absolutely brutal.
Lefties have an .890 OPS against and a 30/24 BB/K (!!!) against him. I mean wow, he is walking more than striking out and his ERA has gone up big time monthly.
FIP is 5.18. WAR is 0.4. He's been hurt big time by the long ball as he is giving up 1.35 HR/9. Doesn't help that he's got a ridiculously high HR/FB ratio at 16.8%. That % is good for 3rd highest in the league so maybe he is getting unlucky but he his HR were leaving around the same % as last year and the weird thing is, he is getting even more groundballs than last year (GB% is elite at 4th best in the league). It's weird that he gets so many groundballs but a lot of his flyballs are leaving the yard. His swinging strike % is the worst in the league.
I'm not trying to rip on Alvarez or be negative but Alvarez needs a lot of work and should definitely start next season in the minors. I like the upside but his change-up (well off-speed stuff) and command needs a lot of work.
Alvarez has struggled and with our new affiliate in Buffalo I do hope they send him down to work on his stuff. AA will need to bring in a couple pitchers in the off season to accommodate his demotion but I think it's very necessary for his growth long term.
Hiroki Kuroda is having the best season of his career right now playing in the toughest division in baseball after pitching his entire career in the NL
That's not me defending the Yankees - those are just the facts
Also, if you don't think Chavez or Jeter are having career years then you should probably stop talking baseball immediately
I'm not saying ALL older players play well for the Yankees but a lot of the time yeah we get veterans who give it their all because they know they don't have many years left and they want to win - not saying vets don't give it their all for other teams as well but for many guys the Yankees is their best shot at winning a championship, so guys give it everything they've got because they don't want to **** that up
Ichiro is another great example - yeah it's not a big sample size but check out the difference in his numbers:
With SEA - .261 AVG, .288 OBP, 15 2B, 4 HR, 28 RBI in 402 AB
With NYY - .322 AVG, .344 OBP, 5 2B, 3 HR, 13 RBI in 87 AB
Yes Yankee Stadium is wayyyy more offensive than Safeco but still an offensive park will only take a guy so far, they still need to hit the ball and put it into play.
Like I have repeatedly said, it's NOT like every single veteran who plays for the Yankees will all of a sudden become a great player, that would be ludicrous to suggest.
With that said though it certainly does happen where players decide to kick it into a higher gear and in turn preform better for the Yankees than they would for really just about any other team
I hate to sound like such a dick about this but if you look at the facts really nothing that I'm saying is that far off
No as you can see this is a jays thread and you don't care for them. Go to the NY boards to talk up your boys. Again your wasting your breath because I don't care to carry on a conversation about the yankees and especially not one about jesus or jeter whichever you yankee fans refer to him as. I read for the first sentence of your post and again stopped there. Oh and I'll continue to talk baseball and the jays in the JAYS thread.
Alvarez has struggled and with our new affiliate in Buffalo I do hope they send him down to work on his stuff. AA will need to bring in a couple pitchers in the off season to accommodate his demotion but I think it's very necessary for his growth long term.
Alvarez is a perfect example of a pitcher who needed to face the more patient AAA hitters to develop properly, having Buffalo will drastically boost our development of pitchers. Alvarez relies to much on his fastball for outs and he needs to be forced to work on his change-up and slider to become an effective starter.
sweeney is one of my darkhorse prospects. I really think Sweeney could become something for us
He really needs to get his bat going if he hopes to become anything though. He's struggled offensively from what I've noticed anyway. But again they may be changing his approach at the plate or his swing. It's hard to gauge guys bats this early unless they just hit lights out everywhere.
Alvarez is a perfect example of a pitcher who needed to face the more patient AAA hitters to develop properly, having Buffalo will drastically boost our development of pitchers. Alvarez relies to much on his fastball for outs and he needs to be forced to work on his change-up and slider to become an effective starter.
Agreed it really hurt our system IMO to not have a AAA affiliate that we could send pitching to for further development. It just seems like they were kind of forced to skip a step with some of our pitching. Hopefully, that'll change now.
Agreed it really hurt our system IMO to not have a AAA affiliate that we could send pitching to for further development. It just seems like they were kind of forced to skip a step with some of our pitching. Hopefully, that'll change now.
I think that's the key. You can take more time with the pitchers and they can develop some solid pitches and hopefully an effective out pitch, which is what Alvarez is really lacking right now. Although I think he's close, but he needs some AAA time next year most likely.
Not at the time. Hill was beyond awful and had nearly 2 seasons of doing absolutely nothing.
He keeps saying it was a brutal trade without realizing that both were free agents.
Also, the assumption that Aaron Hill have just gotten better in Toronto has no merit. It seems much more logical that he got better once he got to Arizona.
From what I remember the schedule should be released around mid February. As for when tickets would be available, I'm sure it would be shortly after that point.
