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08-19-2012, 02:02 AM
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How so? What does Hansen provide that Greening doesn't?

-16 Hansen goals vs 17 Greening goals
-Both have tremendous speed
-Versatile players
-Great contracts
-Both are good two-way players

Hansen most likely has better hands, whereas Greening makes up with his 6'3 frame and the ability to throw his weight around.

How does Hansen>>Greening?
Hansen can throw his weight around too.


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08-19-2012, 02:28 AM
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189 hits > 118 hits

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08-19-2012, 04:47 AM
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The Canucks say no to a swap of Hansen for Greening, and the Senators probably say the same thing. The trade doesn't work well for fans because the players are so very easy to like and bring a similar body of work to the table. As a Canuck fan I don't move a Hansen for a player that's similar, but instead in part of a deal where a significant piece is coming back, and the Senators again probably do the same.

If a deal could be work out with Raymond and or picks or mid level prospects than awesome, but Hansen for Greening, not so awesome.

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08-19-2012, 10:54 AM
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The Canucks say no to a swap of Hansen for Greening, and the Senators probably say the same thing. The trade doesn't work well for fans because the players are so very easy to like and bring a similar body of work to the table. As a Canuck fan I don't move a Hansen for a player that's similar, but instead in part of a deal where a significant piece is coming back, and the Senators again probably do the same.

If a deal could be work out with Raymond and or picks or mid level prospects than awesome, but Hansen for Greening, not so awesome.
I wouldn't mind something along the lines of Raymond & Rodin for Greening & Wiercioch. The Sens are so deep defensively I don't think Wiercioch can crack their lineup anytime soon and I'd love to bring the BC boy back home

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Let me put it like this:

Left Wing (left hand shot):
Booth
Burrows
Higgins
Raymond
D.Sedin


Right Wing (right hand shot):
Hansen
Kassian


So yea, no deal on a left hand left wing greening. its pretty simple.

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08-19-2012, 01:45 PM
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Hansen is too important a player for our bottom 6.
On paper, maybe not too much separates Hansen and Greening.

Hansen is a bottom 6 player, and plays that role EXCELLENTLY.
Greening should be top-6 (correct me if I'm wrong) but doesn't perform
enough for that role, and is okay as a bottom sixer.

Value is close, but it probably wouldn't make sense.



Raymond for Greening on the other hand...

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08-19-2012, 01:54 PM
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Greening should be top-6 (correct me if I'm wrong) but doesn't perform
enough for that role, and is okay as a bottom sixer.
He's not a top 6, it was him or Condra (on occasions) on the top line, both 3rd/4th liners. Our team was expected to finish last for a reason when you give Spezza a top 6 forward and a bottom 6 player. He's a versatile player, like Chris Kelly. Kelly played on the 1st line in the past for us when Spezza was out!

We hope Greening will be a great bottom 6 players. He's big, fast, plays hard, stick up for team mate, but lacks skill to be a top 6. If he repeats his performance of his first full reason, it'll be great for us.

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Don't think I've ever seen Greening play center

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08-19-2012, 02:40 PM
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Raymond for Greening on the other hand...
... would be turned down in record time by the Sens.

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08-19-2012, 04:59 PM
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How so? What does Hansen provide that Greening doesn't?

-16 Hansen goals vs 17 Greening goals
-Both have tremendous speed
-Versatile players
-Great contracts
-Both are good two-way players

Hansen most likely has better hands, whereas Greening makes up with his 6'3 frame and the ability to throw his weight around.

How does Hansen>>Greening?
Hansen's top linemates last season were Hamhuis, Higgins, and Bieksa. Greening's top line mates were Spezza, Karlsson and Michalek. Greening got more ice-time, and played on the powerplay.

I would trade Greening for Hansen

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08-19-2012, 05:05 PM
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... would be turned down in record time by the Sens.
Raymond may not have been very good last year, but he was great in 2009-10, and 2010-11. I wouldn't mind taking the risk.

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No for the Hansen proposal.

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Don't think I've ever seen Greening play center
This.

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08-19-2012, 06:28 PM
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Greening would probably get Dale Weise & a 2nd/3rd Round Pick. Or maybe someone like J. Hansen or C. Higgins would be swapped for Greening and an additional pick or 2.

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Hansen for Greening is a lateral move. Both play similar roles, both have great value contracts. I've got a soft spot for Jannik because I've watched him develop, but Greening is very good too.

I'd prefer to offer something along the lines of Raymond and a good D prospect like Sauve or Corrado.

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08-20-2012, 02:37 AM
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Trading Greening makes zero sense now that Foligno is gone. Our top-six looks fairly soft without him in the lineup and moving him for picks and prospects doesn't make sense either as we have one of the deeper prospect pools in the league.

I know it must get annoying to hear that said player will only move in a package for an upgrade, but with the Senators current situation they have no reason to make a move otherwise.

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08-20-2012, 02:38 AM
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Hansen for Greening is a lateral move. Both play similar roles, both have great value contracts. I've got a soft spot for Jannik because I've watched him develop, but Greening is very good too.

I'd prefer to offer something along the lines of Raymond and a good D prospect like Sauve or Corrado.
Agreed, I would trade Raymond + any of our D prospects + mid pick for Greening. Only see Ottawa doing it if 2 or more of their top 6 prospects are NHL ready.

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As a Canucks fan I'd be more interested in Peter Regin. What sort of return would Sens fans want for him?

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As a Canucks fan I'd be more interested in Peter Regin. What sort of return would Sens fans want for him?
Right now his value is very low, mid round pick I would assume.

With that said, many of us sens fans, myself included, are thinking that his value will be increased greatly come December, barring there is a season and he stays healthy. He is the type of player who will thrive in Maclean's system, and has proven in the past, albiet briefly, that he is a capable top 9 two-way player with top six upside. If he got time with Turris and Alfredsson, I can see him Duplicating Foligno's numbers from last year.

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Right now his value is very low, mid round pick I would assume.

With that said, many of us sens fans, myself included, are thinking that his value will be increased greatly come December, barring there is a season and he stays healthy. He is the type of player who will thrive in Maclean's system, and has proven in the past, albiet briefly, that he is a capable top 9 two-way player with top six upside. If he got time with Turris and Alfredsson, I can see him Duplicating Foligno's numbers from last year.
Yeah, I see him as someone worth gambling on. We could use another centre and he'd be an interesting target.

Always sucks when a player can't stay healthy. Hope he can this year.

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1. We just traded Foligno, we're not trading Greening as well.
2. Greening is on a nice and cheap contract.
3. Sens dont want to add Salary
4. Dont want to lose his physicality.

Also, Greening only plays wing.
Greening was drafted as a centre, played centre in college & took a lot of draws during Bingo's Calder Cup run. He can play both but I think the organization prefers him on the wing.

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Wouldn't do that Greening for Hansen deal.

Hansen is far more developed, can put up 30 points, perfect 3rd liner with Finals experience & is signed to a steal of a deal.
Greening had 37 pts in his rookie season, he is one of the fastest players in the NHL & is versatile, can play on any line & can play wing or centre. Plays well with Spezza on a scoring line but can also play well on a defensive or energy line. He hits, plays defensive, can score, goes to the net & will fight. He is one of the hardest workers, one of the strongets Senators, good character guy & good in the room.

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When we traded Foligno, we traded away his 196 hits too. Granted Methot will throw hits too, but that is on the back end.

Greening was 4th on the list for hitters with 189. He is fast (fastest player on our team) and is perfectly suited for third line duties.

I would prefer to keep him.
Greening is going to always be a good complimentary player, the guy who does all the dirty work so the stars can shine, every team needs guys like that.

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189 hits > 118 hits
You realize hits are pretty much the most subjective stat in the NHL right...

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Agreed, I would trade Raymond + any of our D prospects + mid pick for Greening. Only see Ottawa doing it if 2 or more of their top 6 prospects are NHL ready.
Won't profess to know a ton about Greening - seen him play a couple times, but since when is a player like that worth 3 assets?

His value to other teams is probably a 3rd round pick, his value to Ottawa is more.

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You realize hits are pretty much the most subjective stat in the NHL right...
Yet there are still guys that get paid to count them.

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Raymond may not have been very good last year, but he was great in 2009-10, and 2010-11. I wouldn't mind taking the risk.
I'd bet you'd be in the minority of Sens fans on that one. Not to mention, as has been mentioned, with the losses of Foligno and Konopka, we are a lot softer. If we lose Greening too, especially for a guy like Raymond, our top 6 is instantly softer than Charmin.

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As a Canucks fan I'd be more interested in Peter Regin. What sort of return would Sens fans want for him?
He probably is worth at most a 3rd or 4th on the market now, but the Sens I'm sure will hang onto him to see what he can do if healthy and under MacLean's system. Either he will fit nicely into our top 6/top 9, especially if guys like Zibby and Silfverberg aren't ready yet, or if they are ready, and Regin rebounds, we could trade Regin for a much better return at the deadline than we could now.

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