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07-13-2012, 10:02 PM
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Ladies and gentleman we are going on a strike or lock-out

From Renaud Lavoie Twitter

leagues request

46% of revenue to the players instead of 57% right now

max length of contracts 5 years

no more arbitration

entry level contract 5 years instead of 3

you need to be in the NHL 10 years before free agency...

if there is any truth to this, we may look at hard hard negociations...


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07-13-2012, 10:05 PM
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Low ball offer but it's the start of 2 months of negotiations IMO.

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07-13-2012, 10:07 PM
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that s how you negotiate. aim high, settle for a bit less, expect to make concessions in return.

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No way players accept any of these straight up,... I'm fearing a strike too and I hope not. Although I'm not trusting R. Lavoie on this one...

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Low ball offer but it's the start of 2 months of negotiations IMO.
hope so, but i believe it's a lot to ask even as low ball

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07-13-2012, 10:11 PM
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Donald Fehr is a cancer. He is a ***** and not very many good things happen when he is involved.

He oversaw the 94-95 Major League Baseball strike and the subsequent cancellation of the World Series.

It would not surprise me that we see a strike or lock-out with Fehr around.

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07-13-2012, 10:15 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if they locked out the players until Xmas or so. I've heard various pundits make this prediction and it wouldn't be out of the question if this is what comes to pass.

For our team, it's the ideal scenario, easier to trade Gomez and Kaberle plus the youngsters like Galchenyuk, Leblanc and Geoffrion will hopefully get enough seasoning to be ready for the NHL.

Makes a lot of decisions a lot easier.

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Obviously the owners know they will not get all of that, they just start to aim high.

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07-13-2012, 10:19 PM
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they should just go to 50 /50 and never touch it again, it's fair, it's reasonable (as far as our society goes)... have it be a gradual thing by capping the minimum at present cap + % growth in revenue. eventually it will even out but no one will get hurt unless there is a giant contraction in league revenue (unlikely so long as they keep playing)
edit: in that case, they can have a clause to deal with it... or just accept negative % growth in the same equation... and maybe some open-books type of thing
double edit: that could also lead to some very interesting capology(WORDS!! THEY ROCK!) situations forcing trades to deal with unexpected payroll contractions... it would essentially enforce the ideals of the free market system on one that obviously isn't.

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strile in the title? you mean strike. What's going to happen if the players strike?

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Last time there was a lock-out it helped the Habs get 5th overall pick and draft Carey Price...

If there is a lock-out, will the same scenario occur?

The league will do a special draft like in 2005 and we may have a great shot at MacKinnon?

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If Bergevin is waiting for the new CBA to get Galchenyuk to a 5 year ELC deal (If this goes through) I like

Probably not gona happen though.. Lockout, here we come.. Hopefully we can still play more than half of the remainder of the season.

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What did you expect???

NHL probably got some of the best negotiators in the world.
They all know who is Fher and his background.

They know they need to aim high.

But in the end, the league wants to put a stop at the Kovalchuk, Dipietro, Parise type of contract.

10 years before free agency....most players will have 30 years or more....no big contract.
5 years maiximum contract......no big contract
5 years entry-level contract.....no big contract....... too soon

So let's find a way to stop the giant non-sense betting war to give stupid contract.

And they other parts....let's try to help the little market breathe a little by not increasing to salary cap like crazy every years

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Last time there was a lock-out it helped the Habs get 5th overall pick and draft Carey Price...

If there is a lock-out, will the same scenario occur?

The league will do a special draft like in 2005 and we may have a great shot at MacKinnon?
Or another Oilers first overall

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From Renaud Lavoie Twitter

leagues request

46% of revenue to the players instead of 57% right now

max length of contracts 5 years

no more arbitration

entry level contract 5 years instead of 3

you need to be in the NHL 10 years before free agency...

if there is any truth to this, we may look at hard hard negociations...

Yes strike is a given, but will it cancel the season? there is 100,000 reasons in Jan 2013 , but who knows.

If they do blow this season up , i will have to thank Pierre Gauthier, and i honestly mean that .

If everyone is goona be gready, i'll be greedy too, give me Nathan MacKinnon .Spare me the pain of a last place finish .

If we do get a shot at him or get him or another top 1 to 3 pick, i will buy a "I love Pierre Gauthier "tee shirt.

I will also admit by luck ,the entire Gauthier crash was worth it .


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How did we get the 5th ball in 2005? Where did we ended in the ranking?

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07-13-2012, 11:01 PM
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How did we get the 5th ball in 2005? Where did we ended in the ranking?


http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1207695


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How did we get the 5th ball in 2005? Where did we ended in the ranking?
we were mid pack and got really lucky

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It's still very early of course they're going to ask for the moon. Honestly I don't think there's going to be a work stoppage, and if there's one it's going to be very short. The NHL is making money now, they'll figure something out, just like the NFL did.

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I could not believe such a tweet. It's like putting a bid on a million dollar home and starting the negotiations at $1. Doesn't seem something a smart person would do.

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I could not believe such a tweet. It's like putting a bid on a million dollar home and starting the negotiations at $1. Doesn't seem something a smart person would do.
Sounds very reasonable to me. It's not as if the owners are asking for 80% of revenues. They're asking for 54% and hopping for a 50%-50% split.
Just remember that this is a fight between millionaires and billionaires and that the billonaires always win.

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From Renaud Lavoie Twitter

leagues request

46% of revenue to the players instead of 57% right now

max length of contracts 5 years

no more arbitration

entry level contract 5 years instead of 3

you need to be in the NHL 10 years before free agency...

if there is any truth to this, we may look at hard hard negociations...
Most players don't manage to have 10 NHL years in their career. Under the proposed formula UFA's would be pretty rare.
Of course this is the opening offer so its going to be high but that goes to show how harsh the initial offering is.


They could have intended there to be a 30 year old threshold like 27 is right now which is harsh but not totally unreasonable but that hasn't been reported.


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Sounds very reasonable to me. It's not as if the owners are asking for 80% of revenues. They're asking for 54% and hopping for a 50%-50% split.
Just remember that this is a fight between millionaires and billionaires and that the billonaires always win.
Let's remember this


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Salary rollbacks not an option: Fehr
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...slam!%20hockey

Salary rollbacks aren’t going to happen under his watch.


So to anyone saying oh it's a bargining ploy by NHL to send a low ball out ,starting at 46% ,listen to Fehr .


The space is extra wide between 46 and 57 especially when you say "no roll backs".

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strile in the title? you mean strike. What's going to happen if the players strike?
More important, what's gonna happen if they Strile?

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