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08-19-2012, 08:04 AM
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Which Leaf d-men are AHL eligible next year? Just trying to piece together the d-corps if this were true. Has the potential to be pretty formidable.

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Which Leaf d-men are AHL eligible next year? Just trying to piece together the d-corps if this were true. Has the potential to be pretty formidable.
Jake Gardiner is the only Leaf d-men eligible to play in the AHL during the lockout.

There isn't a lot of youth on the Leafs blue-line that this would be an issue.

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Jake Gardiner is the only Leaf d-men eligible to play in the AHL during the lockout.

There isn't a lot of youth on the Leafs blue-line that this would be an issue.
Would Holzer not be eligible too?

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Ranger was at Ottawa U the last couple years taking classes

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Would Holzer not be eligible too?
Yes, but that is because he was a Marlie AHLer all along, and has not been an NHLer that requires demoting to be eligible. Anyone that played for the Marlies last season can return this year to play during the lockout.

Paul Ranger and other added new Marlies added this summer will also be eligible to play.

Where Holzer is fortunate is that he signed a 1-way NHL contract this summer and will get paid $575k this year to play for the Marlies, whereas Gardiner on his ELC contract is eligible to earn only $65k.


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Yes, but that is because he was a Marlie AHLer all along, and has not been an NHLer that requires demoting to be eligible. Anyone that played for the Marlies last season can return this year to play during the lockout.

Paul Ranger and other added new Marlies added this summer will also be eligible to play.

Where Holzer is fortunate is that he signed a 1-way NHL contract this summer and will get paid $575k this year to play for the Marlies, whereas Gardiner on his ELC contract is eligible to earn only $65k.
I was just trying to see how many Defencemen, the Marlies will have on their roster this year.

It seems they have signed quite a number of Defencemen for this year however Rielly will likely not be there.

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I was just trying to see how many Defencemen, the Marlies will have on their roster this year.

It seems they have signed quite a number of Defencemen for this year however Rielly will likely not be there.
Blacker, Holzer and Gardiner for sure.

Percy and Rielly could since the NHL-CHL agreement expired, which means junior players drafted could play in the AHL.

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I was just trying to see how many Defencemen, the Marlies will have on their roster this year.

It seems they have signed quite a number of Defencemen for this year however Rielly will likely not be there.
Reilly is ineligible to play in the AHL this season (until his junior season ended) and must be returned to the CHL in case of a NHL lockout or not.

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Blacker, Holzer and Gardiner for sure.

Percy and Rielly could since the NHL-CHL agreement expired, which means junior players drafted could play in the AHL.
Well Lashoff. Finger and I think Mikus, won't be back.

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Well Lashoff. Finger and I think Mikus, won't be back.
But Paul Ranger (apparently) & Mike Kostka have been added as new Dmen players since last season ended, and Mark Fraser and Simon Gysbers and others have been resigned as well and will return.

Correct Lashoff and Mikus have both signed to play in Europe next year and Finger is a UFA at present.


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But Paul Ranger (apparently) & Mike Kostka have been added as new Dmen players since last season ended, and Mark Fraser and Simon Gysbers and others have been resigned as well and will return.
This is the best list I can come up with but there may be a few more that have left...11 players

Fraser, Holzer, Engel, Gardiner, Gysbers, Blacker, Paris, Martens, Percy, Kostka and Ranger

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Well Lashoff. Finger and I think Mikus, won't be back.
Did anyone sign the Finger yet?

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Did anyone sign the Finger yet?
Mess says he's still unsigned.

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This is the best list I can come up with but there may be a few more that have left...11 players

Fraser, Holzer, Engel, Gardiner, Gysbers, Blacker, Paris, Martens, Percy, Kostka and Ranger
Tyler Brenner was signed as a undrafted NCAA "free wallet" that played for the Marlies last year.

Leaf draft pick Petter Granberg was signed to an ELC this summer and could play for the Marlies as well.

Stuart Percy is CHL eligible and would be returned to his OHL club.

Drew Paris and Andrew Martins do not have NHL contracts and their return to Marlies would be uncertain at this time.
Josh Engel has played for the Marlies during the past 4 seasons 2008-09 until 2011-12, but his contract status is uncertain at this time.


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Tyler Brenner was signed as a undrafted NCAA "free wallet" that played for the Marlies last year.

Leaf draft pick Petter Granberg was signed to an ELC this summer and could play for the Marlies as well.

Stuart Percy is CHL eligible and would be returned to his OHL club.
Thats 13 Defencemen, unless others are not coming back but if the leafs are not locked out Gardiner and Hozer will be with them still 11 D.

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Reilly is ineligible to play in the AHL this season (until his junior season ended) and must be returned to the CHL in case of a NHL lockout or not.
Did the NHL sign a new agreement with the CHL?

From what I read on HBuzz, it seems the AHL has no issue with under 20 players, but the NHL and CHL agreement was the guiding factor. European and college players can play in the AHL.

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This is the best list I can come up with but there may be a few more that have left...11 players

Fraser, Holzer, Engel, Gardiner, Gysbers, Blacker, Paris, Martens, Percy, Kostka and Ranger
Drew Paris is going to play in Germany next season.

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Did the NHL sign a new agreement with the CHL?

From what I read on HBuzz, it seems the AHL has no issue with under 20 players, but the NHL and CHL agreement was the guiding factor. European and college players can play in the AHL.
While the transfer agreement has technically ended, there is no real dispute in question here between the NHL and CHL for there to be no present agreement in place. The AHL usually goes about business as per usual as they're not in dispute here either having a different CBA and set of guidelines it plays under. A new CHL NHL transfer agreement will be signed its only a matter of timing here, and likely might be done even and be completed as part of the next NHL CBA.

Junior players like Reilly have no AHL rights at this time, and are not members of the AHL union (Professional Hockey Players' Association, or PHPA,) having never played in that league before. Therefore the AHL dumping presently employed AHL union members to make room for non union members (underage CHL eligible players) goes against the grain of how unions operate in the first place.

Sportsnet's Jeff Marek, who is keeping attention to this issue and all things junior-related, did say just last week, that the CHL expects the AHL to honour their leagues deal with players and not allow a flood of 19 year olds into the league if there is a lockout.

Similarly despite the CBA ending the NHLPA has stated that it is prepared to continue playing under terms of the expired agreement until a new one can be reached.


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While the transfer agreement has technically ended, there is no real dispute in question here between the NHL and CHL for there to be no present agreement in place.

Sportsnet's Jeff Marek, who is keeping attention to this issue and all things junior-related, did say just last week, that the CHL expects the AHL to honour their leagues deal with players and not allow a flood of 19 year olds into the league if there is a lockout.

Similarly despite the CBA ending the NHLPA has stated that it is prepared to continue playing under terms of the expired agreement until a new one can be reached.
From what I read the league no longer has a deal with the CHL.

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From what I read the league no longer has a deal with the CHL.
Keep in mind the AHL and the CHL are both development leagues for the NHL.

NHL teams are going to do what is in the best interest of their prospects for their development. Just because Tyler Biggs is eligible to play in the AHL doesn't mean Toronto can't send him to the OHL instead believing that is most advantageous for his development.

Similarly Morgan Rielly, that despite there being no official transfer agreement in place there is nothing preventing Toronto from deciding the WHL is where they want him to be. Where a signed NHL player under contract (ELC) plays is at the discretion and final decision of the his NHL team that owns his rights not the player himself.

A 18-19 year old kid dominating and getting prime ATOI/g in junior is most often preferable to being a depth player in the AHL with limited minutes in a Men's AHL league while developing.

ie Stuart Percy played in 3 AHL playoff games last year after his OHL season ended, but became a healthy scratch for the majority of the AHL playoffs on Marlies long AHL playoff run, making room for AHL veterans instead.

Would he be better served playing in the AHL this year at 19 or return to junior again, and all of that is simply a question even because of the expired transfer agreement. But for years the agreement existed because junior hockey development was considered crucial for players of this age group and it went unquestioned supported by the last agreement.

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This is the best list I can come up with but there may be a few more that have left...11 players

Fraser, Holzer, Engel, Gardiner, Gysbers, Blacker, Paris, Martens, Percy, Kostka and Ranger
I think we have to include Gardiner and Holzer as Leafs, while Percy is not eligible to play in the AHL.

Right now we only have 4 dmen under contract that will likely play in the AHL this year - Fraser, Blacker, Gysbers, and Kostka.

Granberg is a possibility but he has one more year on his SEL contract and likely stays over there for the season.

Another possibility would be Rielly making the Leafs, pushing Holzer back down to the Marlies.

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With the possible lockout looming a Paul Ranger AHL signing should be an indication that Toronto isn't likely thinking Rielly/Stuart are going to be sent here otherwise why are they bringing in more experienced players to fill the Marlies roster to take away playing time during development?.

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With the possible lockout looming a Paul Ranger AHL signing should be an indication that Toronto isn't likely thinking Rielly/Stuart are going to be sent here otherwise why are they bringing in more experienced players to fill the Marlies roster to take away playing time during development?.
Maybe because the last two seasons the Marlies have used 13 defencemen per year.

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They only have 4 ahl defensmeen under contract, mess. Ranger would make 5.

and neither Rielly or Percy is eligible to play in the AHL.

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