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08-19-2012, 10:56 AM
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If this is true?

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08-19-2012, 10:57 AM
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then there you have it
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08-19-2012, 11:07 AM
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Dont forget the rangers chose to burn an ELC year by throwing him into the playoffs. Granted he did impress, but was it worth it?
Yes. It was worth it. The NYR knew that the CBA had to be negotiated.

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I would imagine that whatever the old CBA says about contracts is pretty much moot given that they're negotiating a new CBA. Treatment of existing contracts will be defined in the new CBA, no?

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08-19-2012, 11:21 AM
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Yes. It was worth it. The NYR knew that the CBA had to be negotiated.
Im not sure I follow. Are you saying it was worth it to burn an ELC because a new CBA would change the length of ELCs?

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08-19-2012, 11:22 AM
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If this is true?
Well I had to correct another poster in this thread about contracts sliding during a lockout, so idk if what you are saying is true. I guess I could look it up.

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08-19-2012, 11:27 AM
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Im not sure I follow. Are you saying it was worth it to burn an ELC because a new CBA would change the length of ELCs?
No. I'm saying the Rangers knew what they were doing, and considering that I'd call him our best forward in the Devils series, it looks like it was a good idea.

And if Hagelin doesn't get suspended, I don't know if they do it. But they basically had a decision between using a year of Kreider's ELC, or putting John Scott into the line up.

RangerBoy is our CBA expert. You don't have to worry about his credibility regarding this stuff.

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08-19-2012, 11:33 AM
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No. I'm saying the Rangers knew what they were doing, and considering that I'd call him our best forward in the Devils series, it looks like it was a good idea.

And if Hagelin doesn't get suspended, I don't know if they do it. But they basically had a decision between using a year of Kreider's ELC, or putting John Scott into the line up.

RangerBoy is our CBA expert. You don't have to worry about his credibility regarding this stuff.
I was pretty sure that it doesnt slide, but I wasnt 100%. Better to be safe then get flamed for it later

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08-19-2012, 11:52 AM
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Do you really think the NHL will lose another full season? The NHL will lose any credibility they have left if they lose ANOTHER full season due to labor issues. The NHL loses credibility forcing a lockout in 27 days.

Last time,the NHL and NHLPA agreed to compliance rules on how to deal with the lost season. Exhibit 16 in the current CBA. Transitioning from the 1995 CBA to the 2005 CBA.

Players drafted in 2013 and beyond would be subject to the new CBA entry level system if there are any changes in entry level.

2004-05 contracts were wiped off the books but if a player had an accrued season in 2003-04,that player got credit for 04-05 being an accrued season when determining group III. The current rules for group III are 7 years accrued or 27 years old.

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08-19-2012, 11:54 AM
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Hockey wise, this is fixing to be one damn long winter.

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08-19-2012, 12:12 PM
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I think there is a possibility of a lockout. I dont think the NHL really cares what it looks like in the media based on past negotiations and their latest proposal.

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08-19-2012, 12:26 PM
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Dont forget the rangers chose to burn an ELC year by throwing him into the playoffs. Granted he did impress, but was it worth it?
If you look at it from the point of view of his development, it was still worth it. You can't teach play-off experience and he already has a fairly good ammount of it. I think it was worth it, but time will tell I suppose.

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08-19-2012, 12:59 PM
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Not surprising news but sucks on sauer

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08-19-2012, 01:02 PM
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On ck not having to clear waivers, those rules won't exist after cba expires so not sure they apply. But can't Stepan, hagelin, mcdonagh etc just sign ahl deals the same as they could sign in Europe during lockout?

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08-19-2012, 02:54 PM
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If there is a lockout, the Rangers should encourage their guys, especially the North Americans, to play in Europe.

It is different and would help develop skill because more skill is needed on a larger surface. Plus, less chance of injury there.

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08-19-2012, 03:00 PM
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Keep them away from the KHL though. Id want them in the Swedish Elite League or something. If there is a lockout or a strike or something, I bet Henrik would play for Frolunda. But thatbbeing said...get a deal done... I can't stand basketball and football is boring.

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08-19-2012, 04:08 PM
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Roszival would have to take a huge pay cut. Sign him in the range of $1 to $1.5 mil for 1 year--then fine--otherwise forget it. He's not as good as Sauer who is signed at $1.25 mil. Rangers might think there are better options as well.
Well, his cap hit was $5 million last year, but he was actually only payed $3 million. A one year deal at $2 million or so doesn't seem out of the question.

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08-19-2012, 04:11 PM
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Rangers have all the leverge considering Del Zotto will get less if he signs after the new CBA, so just wait it out.

This ain't Carolina or Buffalo, no big contract just yet.

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08-19-2012, 05:23 PM
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Rangers have all the leverge considering Del Zotto will get less if he signs after the new CBA, so just wait it out.

This ain't Carolina or Buffalo, no big contract just yet.
Why would he get less? makes no sense at all

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Why would he get less? makes no sense at all
Because they're talking about bringing the cap down.

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08-19-2012, 05:36 PM
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This thread sure is depressing.

/runs back to NHL12 BAGM and mentally prepares for playing a LOT of 13 until January.

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08-19-2012, 06:03 PM
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Not surprising news but sucks on sauer
I found it surprising. Maybe I got a little over-excited over Maloney's comments, but I certainly expected him to be symptom free by now. Maybe not in good physical condition or ready for a September training camp, but nonetheless...

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08-19-2012, 06:10 PM
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I found it surprising. Maybe I got a little over-excited over Maloney's comments, but I certainly expected him to be symptom free by now.
Same here. We were left with the impression that he was symptom-free by now, and it turns out to be false. Generally doctors shut down a player for 2 months after he is diagnosed to be symptom-free, which means that at a minimum he's out until November.

Realistically speaking, this was a worse concussion than Staal's based on the way it looked and that this isn't his first one, so I would expect him to be gone over a year. Hopefully he's back the final stretch that starts around the trading deadline.

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08-19-2012, 08:12 PM
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On ck not having to clear waivers, those rules won't exist after cba expires so not sure they apply. But can't Stepan, hagelin, mcdonagh etc just sign ahl deals the same as they could sign in Europe during lockout?
They certainly ain't signing with the Whale. And how can they honor an AHL contract (which is for the year) if the NHL lockout ends in December?

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08-19-2012, 08:37 PM
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They certainly ain't signing with the Whale. And how can they honor an AHL contract (which is for the year) if the NHL lockout ends in December?
its called an out clause just like they would if they signed in europe

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