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01-07-2013, 08:50 PM
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I think some of you guys are forgetting we work to an internal budget. A buyout plus the cost of a replacement player still goes against the internal cap. Much as I hated the Souray deal for 3 years, I don't see him going anywhere.

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I think some of you guys are forgetting we work to an internal budget. A buyout plus the cost of a replacement player still goes against the internal cap. Much as I hated the Souray deal for 3 years, I don't see him going anywhere.
One of Sbisa, Beauchemin, Allen or Souray is headed out of town if Vatanen and Lindholm both pan out. Souray is oldest, most injury prone, and the highest paid.

If he performs, he could always be traded to a contender as a rental that can be bought out for cash - he actually has a MUCH higher trade value now with the amnesty buyout. Assuming he waives the no trade clause this year.

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I think some of you guys are forgetting we work to an internal budget. A buyout plus the cost of a replacement player still goes against the internal cap. Much as I hated the Souray deal for 3 years, I don't see him going anywhere.
That's a good point. Buyouts are for cap teams. We are not a cap team, and we have the budget for a reason.

If we have to get rid of him, it's going to be a trade. Just hope it doesn't require a bad trade to get rid of the contract.

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01-07-2013, 09:23 PM
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One of Sbisa, Beauchemin, Allen or Souray is headed out of town if Vatanen and Lindholm both pan out. Souray is oldest, most injury prone, and the highest paid.

If he performs, he could always be traded to a contender as a rental that can be bought out for cash - he actually has a MUCH higher trade value now with the amnesty buyout. Assuming he waives the no trade clause this year.
My crystal ball says Vatanen and/or Lindholm won't pan out until at least next year. And while I agree Souray could have trade value we have to remember he signed here for the extra year but also because his kids were here. I just don't see him waiving his NTC or NMC or whatever clause it is that he has. But personally I'm all for jettisoning him out of the group you mentioned.


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01-07-2013, 09:26 PM
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Staubitz a regular in the line up? no no no no, unless he's learned to play of course
Forget the fact this soft joke lineup doesn't even have an enforcer let's even scratch the only middleweight too! Maybe if your talking playoffs
Like this team even has a chance

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01-07-2013, 09:32 PM
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One of Sbisa, Beauchemin, Allen or Souray is headed out of town if Vatanen and Lindholm both pan out. Souray is oldest, most injury prone, and the highest paid.

If he performs, he could always be traded to a contender as a rental that can be bought out for cash - he actually has a MUCH higher trade value now with the amnesty buyout. Assuming he waives the no trade clause this year.
It would be Lydman traded

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It would be Lydman traded
6 D.
Fowler goes nowhere.
2 rookies (Vatanen, Lindholm)
Lydman is an UFA this year. He's already gone most likely. (And I like Lydman)
5 positions for Sbisa, Beauchemin, Allen, Souray, Vatanen, and Lindholm.

Again, this assumes both rookies can play. The 4 vets contracts are all locked up through 2014-15. Choose one to lose, or trade the promising rookie off a budget team.

Edit - by "pan out" I meant for next year. If both are on the team this year we are playing for the #1 pick.

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6 D.
Fowler goes nowhere.
2 rookies (Vatanen, Lindholm)
Lydman is an UFA this year. He's already gone most likely. (And I like Lydman)
5 positions for Sbisa, Beauchemin, Allen, Souray, Vatanen, and Lindholm.

Again, this assumes both rookies can play. The 4 vets contracts are all locked up through 2014-15. Choose one to lose, or trade the promising rookie off a budget team.

Edit - by "pan out" I meant for next year. If both are on the team this year we are playing for the #1 pick.
True but what are the odds both rookies work out, especially 2 soft dmen when size/grit back there was the only thing. Murray focused on

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True but what are the odds both rookies work out, especially 2 soft dmen when size/grit back there was the only thing. Murray focused on
They have three seasons to do so. Lindholm looks like he should be a good 3-4 D at worst based on his play in the AHL this year. Vatanen should hopefully be at worst a 5-6 PP specialist. Hopefully Clark pans out as a physical force. I would hope over the next 2-1/2 season 2 of those guys would make it to the NHL.

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True but what are the odds both rookies work out, especially 2 soft dmen when size/grit back there was the only thing. Murray focused on
Lindholm isn't soft. He's got good size and while he isn't exactly a big hitter he uses it pretty effectively.

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I think Souray and Fowler as a PP pairing will be disaster (if Fowler is told to rove). Souray is not good at keeping the puck in, he won't be able to cover double when Fowler is roving.

What was so special about Niedermayer-Pronger was that Pronger could pretty much keep the puck in the zone with his reach and hand-eye coordination all by himself. Souray does not have that.

Also Fowler is a good passer/puckmover, but I don't really see him as a good set-up man. As in setting up Souray for the one-timer.
Fowler played the rover quite a bit on the power play last season. Souray isn't Pronger, and even with Pronger's ability to keep the puck in, he usually wasn't the only one back there. It's just wrong when a team has one guy back on a 5-4, unless all 4 defenders are caught deep in the zone. It's Getzy's job to cover for a D-man that pinches. He did it for Nieds too. And as far as Fowler setting up the one-timer (which isn't his job), he had the primary on 4/6 of Visnovsky's power play goals since 2010. And Visnovsky didn't shoot very much.

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01-07-2013, 11:00 PM
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i felt registration was a must now. i had to speak...so:

"Beauchemin-Sbisa
Souray-Fowler
Allen-Lydman"

this is a somewhat average of what anaheim fans want for defense?

firstly i have to say that dont like sbisa at all. hes like A-P berg of finland. remember him? last season sbisa destroyed anaheim games and i knew it! put trust in this kind of player and you cant win.... i knew the "talent" ..i saw some games , i got down.. as a fan what can you do? just laugh at the team , organisation etc.

now i look at the forum and huge defense King Vatanen dooooont ? make the team instantly???

this is a big scandal..oh well...organisation..coaches..hockey folk over there doesnt have it...the eyes,the brains, understanding THE GAME!!!

well see how fast vatanen joins the team. should be 1 liner and superstar in NHL from first season. yes hes ready. i laugh seeing lydman for example in team as the nations big boy vatanen still out?

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i felt registration was a must now. i had to speak...so:

"Beauchemin-Sbisa
Souray-Fowler
Allen-Lydman"

this is a somewhat average of what anaheim fans want for defense?

firstly i have to say that dont like sbisa at all. hes like A-P berg of finland. remember him? last season sbisa destroyed anaheim games and i knew it! put trust in this kind of player and you cant win.... i knew the "talent" ..i saw some games , i got down.. as a fan what can you do? just laugh at the team , organisation etc.

now i look at the forum and huge defense King Vatanen dooooont ? make the team instantly???

this is a big scandal..oh well...organisation..coaches..hockey folk over there doesnt have it...the eyes,the brains, understanding THE GAME!!!

well see how fast vatanen joins the team. should be 1 liner and superstar in NHL from first season. yes hes ready. i laugh seeing lydman for example in team as the nations big boy vatanen still out?
I know this is your first post, but this post is utter ********.

First of all, Sbisa is a young, second pairing defenseman right now. Nothing more, nothing less. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If we miss the playoffs this year, I'm positive it won't be because of Luca Sbisa. Second, Vatanen is not ready for the NHL yet. If you think he is, then you haven't been watching Norfolk play at all. I like the kid, but he has serious work that needs to be done in the strength department and the defensive aspect of hockey. Third, I have no clue what you have against this organization, because the season hasn't even started. Wait for them to make a mistake, and I will be right there with you jumping down their throats, but come on, the lockout just ended.

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well see how fast vatanen joins the team. should be 1 liner and superstar in NHL from first season. yes hes ready. i laugh seeing lydman for example in team as the nations big boy vatanen still out?
Hopefully he can impress at the NHL level when he gets his chance. Right now we have players that are better than him, with more experience. He will not be a superstar right off the bat, he's just starting to make a name for himself in the AHL. Even Karlsson took a couple seasons before he became a superstar. Give big boy a couple of years.

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I know this is your first post, but this post is utter ********.
That or he's just really good at trolling us.

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i felt registration was a must now. i had to speak...so:

"Beauchemin-Sbisa
Souray-Fowler
Allen-Lydman"

this is a somewhat average of what anaheim fans want for defense?
Sbisa will almost certainly be behind Fowler, right now he's probably #3-5 on the depth chart, after Beauchemin and Fowler the others are all pretty interchangeable. He will have an edge on the others given he's been playing during the lockout. I'm not as high on Sbisa as most around here but there are far bigger problems with this roster than having him slotted into a second pairing role which most have penciled him in for.

As for Vatanen, he's not ready for the NHL. His offensive game is probably ready but he needs to round out his defensive game and play with more consistency before he gets a spot on the roster. Hopefully for Anaheim's sake he's ready sooner rather than later but chances are he sees most of the year in the AHL.

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firstly i have to say that dont like sbisa at all. hes like A-P berg of finland. remember him? last season sbisa destroyed anaheim games and i knew it! put trust in this kind of player and you cant win.... i knew the "talent" ..i saw some games , i got down.. as a fan what can you do? just laugh at the team , organisation etc.

now i look at the forum and huge defense King Vatanen dooooont ? make the team instantly???

this is a big scandal..oh well...organisation..coaches..hockey folk over there doesnt have it...the eyes,the brains, understanding THE GAME!!!

well see how fast vatanen joins the team. should be 1 liner and superstar in NHL from first season. yes hes ready. i laugh seeing lydman for example in team as the nations big boy vatanen still out?
All I'm wondering is this post in english? Seriously Sbisa's young and Vatanen probably won't play in the NHL this season... What kind of post is this for day 2 of hockey being back on? I don't see how this is time for registration, we haven't even seen any hockey this year.

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come on guys....vatanen cant play defense? vatanen is GREAT in defense. Sbisa can NOT play ANY defense! the guy is a catastroph! Vatanen should walk in the team from start!

wait a minute...you guys are trolling about sbisa´s greatness right?

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come on guys....vatanen cant play defense? vatanen is GREAT in defense. Sbisa can NOT play ANY defense! the guy is a catastroph! Vatanen should walk in the team from start!

wait a minute...you guys are trolling about sbisa´s greatness right?
Ok, now you are just making yourself look stupid. Saying that Sbisa can't play any defense is complete bullcrap and I would say that he's better than Vatanen at it.

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come on guys....vatanen cant play defense? vatanen is GREAT in defense. Sbisa can NOT play ANY defense! the guy is a catastroph! Vatanen should walk in the team from start!

wait a minute...you guys are trolling about sbisa´s greatness right?
I don't think "greatness" really has been used to describe Sbisa, to be fair. But he's had to prove himself against a lot tougher competition than Vatanen when it comes to defensive play, that much is certain. Your oberservation of his defensive abilities compared to Vatanen's seems to be somewhat distorted for that reason. I don't think there's any question that Vatanen could still need some work. If you watched some games from Norfolk, I think that would become somewhat visible, as well.

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come on guys....vatanen cant play defense? vatanen is GREAT in defense. Sbisa can NOT play ANY defense! the guy is a catastroph! Vatanen should walk in the team from start!

wait a minute...you guys are trolling about sbisa´s greatness right?
C'mon eenok. This is not the place or time to start trolling. I know Vatanen was (is?) God in Jyväskylä but even I wouldn't place him in Ducks' roster yet after seeing his performances in the league below. There really isn't time or space to use his explosive speed in the corners, the NA game has a great deal more one-on-one battles which require excellent positioning and mere strength. Give him time. He is more of a 4th forward than defenceman anyway and lethal on PP.

As for Sbisa I have nothing to say, haven't seen him play that much.

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One thought, Canucks have apparently too many RHD which was the reason Ballard was benched often (well, along his not that great performance).

If Canucks were to pay 50% of his salary, would you do trade for him? Assuming we get him for 7th round pick or something.

2 seasons left after this one at 4.2M per year, meaning 2.1M per year for Ducks.

Imho he's bit like Sbisa style-wise, gritty 2-way d-man with leadership.

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