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11-01-2012, 09:22 PM
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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/chlp...ntities--.html

Just keeps getting more ridiculous.
I had wondered why they didn't ask Ron Pink who according to the Globe abd Mail was one of the principals.

Messages left for lawyers Michael Mazzuca and Ron Pink – who are also working on the CHLPA’s behalf – were not returned.

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11-01-2012, 09:58 PM
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@mirtle: Breaking: Georges Laraque will step down from the CHLPA. He said he will continue until a suitable replacement can be found.

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11-01-2012, 10:01 PM
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Again, Laraque says he'll resign if Randy Gumbley is involved in any way with CHLPA.

I wonder if he's resigning because he is involved in some way or just because this whole thing is a circus?

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11-01-2012, 10:03 PM
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Laraque quits. He announces it on TVA Sports.

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11-01-2012, 10:15 PM
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Can confirm the CHLPA has lost both law firms in Western Canada and Quebec.



They didn't start out with any credibility, and amazingly have lost more than they had to start out with.

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Lol... a union for 16 year olds.

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Georges Laraque nie avoir reconnu Derek Clarke sur la photo de Randy Gumbley... Pourtant, @TVASports a la preuve sur vidéo...

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Laraque denies Derek Clarke recognized the photo of Randy Gumbley...however TVASports has video evidence
(something may be off with this translation i know. lol)

TVASports latests:
http://tvasports.ca/tvasports/hockey...01-220355.html


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11-01-2012, 11:55 PM
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what's unfortunate is that the chl is going to do nothing at all to address any of the very genuine issues that were raised by the chlpa, has incompetent as the group seems to be.

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11-02-2012, 12:11 AM
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Lol... a union for 16 year olds.
Who pays their dues - mom and dad? Do they get free stickers each time they pay?

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what's unfortunate is that the chl is going to do nothing at all to address any of the very genuine issues that were raised by the chlpa, has incompetent as the group seems to be.
What genuine issues? Playing hockey especially in major jr is not a job. It is a privolege to be able to do something you love in front of fans.

Major jr, just like the ncaa is just a hockey league that allows you (and pays for) to go school. Nothing less, nothing more. If the chlpa had won any court battle it would spell the end to the chl, ncaa scholarships, high school hockey teams, and even every single minor hockey league that has any kind of school program (AAA being the next on the list).

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Breaking News: Georges Laraque steps down as president of an organization that doesn't exist. #CHLPA


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What genuine issues? Playing hockey especially in major jr is not a job. It is a privolege to be able to do something you love in front of fans.

Major jr, just like the ncaa is just a hockey league that allows you (and pays for) to go school. Nothing less, nothing more. If the chlpa had won any court battle it would spell the end to the chl, ncaa scholarships, high school hockey teams, and even every single minor hockey league that has any kind of school program (AAA being the next on the list).
So presumably then, the CHL's contracts are not enforceable (since it's "not a job") and a player, if they so chose, could get up and leave to play professionally in say, the KHL or SEL?

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So presumably then, the CHL's contracts are not enforceable (since it's "not a job") and a player, if they so chose, could get up and leave to play professionally in say, the KHL or SEL?
Yes, as long as they are not nhl property. Just look at crosby during the last lockout was getting offers to turn pro before the lockout ended (only reason he didn't is for his dream of being drafted into the nhl and playing in the nhl.

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11-02-2012, 01:22 AM
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what's unfortunate is that the chl is going to do nothing at all to address any of the very genuine issues that were raised by the chlpa, has incompetent as the group seems to be.
You are correct.

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what's unfortunate is that the chl is going to do nothing at all to address any of the very genuine issues that were raised by the chlpa, has incompetent as the group seems to be.
Worse yet, this poisons any future attempt at getting junior players organized. Leagues and owners can just point to this and say "remember, it was a scam last time."

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What genuine issues? Playing hockey especially in major jr is not a job. It is a privolege to be able to do something you love in front of fans.

Major jr, just like the ncaa is just a hockey league that allows you (and pays for) to go school. Nothing less, nothing more. If the chlpa had won any court battle it would spell the end to the chl, ncaa scholarships, high school hockey teams, and even every single minor hockey league that has any kind of school program (AAA being the next on the list).
Don't forget Junior A (CJHL), Junior B and Major Midget programs.

I will say, though, the CHL scholarship program needs to be overhauled. Post-secondary should not count against their total scholarship if they take courses while playing for their respective club. They should have at least a three year window to redeem the scholarship, and be able to use it towards vocational/trade school if university isn't the path they want to take.

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what's unfortunate is that the chl is going to do nothing at all to address any of the very genuine issues that were raised by the chlpa, has incompetent as the group seems to be.
Absolutely. Would you work for room and board and $7 a day? What a joke. There are examples of workers getting room, perhaps board and a per diem as well as a salary. This isn't over.

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What genuine issues? Playing hockey especially in major jr is not a job. It is a privolege to be able to do something you love in front of fans.

Major jr, just like the ncaa is just a hockey league that allows you (and pays for) to go school. Nothing less, nothing more. If the chlpa had won any court battle it would spell the end to the chl, ncaa scholarships, high school hockey teams, and even every single minor hockey league that has any kind of school program (AAA being the next on the list).
If your theory holds and it's not a job... then why is any form of compensation provided to the players?

If, in your theory, it's simply a privilege, there should be no education package provided, no per diem. The CHL is simply trying to get away with substituting those benefits for salary, something they've actually admitted, whether or not that's legal, is a good question.

So I defer to the legal experts... does minimum wage have to be respected if non-financial benefits are provided?

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Absolutely. Would you work for room and board and $7 a day? What a joke. There are examples of workers getting room, perhaps board and a per diem as well as a salary. This isn't over.
CHL teams spend around 25 000$/player/year in equipment, board, food and stuff. Overagers get 1700$/week. Plus free equipment and stuff.

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What genuine issues? Playing hockey especially in major jr is not a job. It is a privolege to be able to do something you love in front of fans.

Major jr, just like the ncaa is just a hockey league that allows you (and pays for) to go school. Nothing less, nothing more. If the chlpa had won any court battle it would spell the end to the chl, ncaa scholarships, high school hockey teams, and even every single minor hockey league that has any kind of school program (AAA being the next on the list).
no, major jr. is not like the ncaa. i don't understand the comparison between the two.

it's also a business where some people are getting wealthy. there is a big difference between the chl and high school hockey programs.

the fact that they're currently being paid the same stipend players were 25 years ago is abhorrent. so are the restraints they put on the scholarship money (which means a bunch kids who never come near to the nhl don't get the money).

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Don't forget Junior A (CJHL), Junior B and Major Midget programs.

I will say, though, the CHL scholarship program needs to be overhauled. Post-secondary should not count against their total scholarship if they take courses while playing for their respective club. They should have at least a three year window to redeem the scholarship, and be able to use it towards vocational/trade school if university isn't the path they want to take.
I don't believe courses taken while the player is in the CHL count towards his scholarship (I could be wrong, but it's news to me if that's the case), and they are able to use the education package for college/university or a vocational school.

There are improvements that could be made, but there is a ton of misinformation out there, courtesy of the "CHLPA".

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What genuine issues? Playing hockey especially in major jr is not a job. It is a privolege to be able to do something you love in front of fans.

Major jr, just like the ncaa is just a hockey league that allows you (and pays for) to go school. Nothing less, nothing more.
If the chlpa had won any court battle it would spell the end to the chl, ncaa scholarships, high school hockey teams, and even every single minor hockey league that has any kind of school program (AAA being the next on the list).
Which is BS: Yeah, we'll use your image and likeness to generate millions of dollars but hey you get to eat for free. That's worth a few million, right?

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Don't forget Junior A (CJHL), Junior B and Major Midget programs.

I will say, though, the CHL scholarship program needs to be overhauled. Post-secondary should not count against their total scholarship if they take courses while playing for their respective club. They should have at least a three year window to redeem the scholarship, and be able to use it towards vocational/trade school if university isn't the path they want to take.
This is seriously my only real problem with the CHL, the only hang-up that would prevent me from allowing a kid of mine to join up.
The CHl avoided any legal trouble by this scam, but the CHL should not pretend like everything is up to snuff either....

Can anyone guess how much paying for the scholarships and player lodging and food makes up of the overall revenues? 35%?

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Lol... a union for 16 year olds.
Haha, yep, lets corrupt them younger and younger.

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CHL teams spend around 25 000$/player/year in equipment, board, food and stuff. Overagers get 1700$/week. Plus free equipment and stuff.
Those are benefits not wages. Minimum wages are clearly specified in labour laws in most industrialized countries. I think Canada has minimum wages and other regulations concerning minors. Maybe I'm wrong and I can hire 14 year olds to work 12/7 for 50 cents an hour. Do Walmart shareholders know this? The profits, the profits.

Or is it that playing hockey or any other sport for a living isn't a job. Perhaps our constitution has a loophole in it's rights which excludes children doing certain jobs from counting as humans.

You don't want this going to the courts. The CHL has a reprieve to correct this issue or a window to rack up the exploitation based profits. I wonder which route they'll take.

I notice our libertarian yet business friendly feds have not stepped up.

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