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08-20-2012, 12:33 PM
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Why isn't the farm team in or near Montreal?

Just a question I was asking myself... Why aren't the Bulldogs located in the Montreal area or even Quebec. Just like Toronto, I think the Canadiens should have their farm team close by. I think it would help the development of our prospects by introducing them to the Quebec culture before making the jump to the big league. It would also give us fans an opportunity to watch live games more often. A Canadiens AHL team in the Montreal area would probably do better then the Impact or Allouettes.

It seems logical to me, but why hasn't this been done?

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08-20-2012, 12:42 PM
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Where would they play, at the Bell? Probably costs too much.

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Just a question I was asking myself... Why aren't the Bulldogs located in the Montreal area or even Quebec. Just like Toronto, I think the Canadiens should have their farm team close by. I think it would help the development of our prospects by introducing them to the Quebec culture before making the jump to the big league. It would also give us fans an opportunity to watch live games more often. A Canadiens AHL team in the Montreal area would probably do better then the Impact or Allouettes.

It seems logical to me, but why hasn't this been done?
Was in Quebec before, as well as Sherbrooke. Edit; sorry that was Fredericton not SHerbrooke. But there was an AHL team in Sherbrooke once.

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New 10,000 seats arena being built in Laval. Wouldn't be shocked if our farm team moved there in 2014.

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Just a question I was asking myself... Why aren't the Bulldogs located in the Montreal area or even Quebec. Just like Toronto, I think the Canadiens should have their farm team close by. I think it would help the development of our prospects by introducing them to the Quebec culture before making the jump to the big league. It would also give us fans an opportunity to watch live games more often. A Canadiens AHL team in the Montreal area would probably do better then the Impact or Allouettes.

It seems logical to me, but why hasn't this been done?


Might be just me, but I have spent a couple of summers working in Montreal and I didn't experience any significant 'culture shock' - it's similar in many ways to other large Canadian/American cities. And distance-wise, Hamilton is plenty close enough as far as AHL teams go. Just look to the Winnipeg Jets to see how much distance there can be - I think the distance thing makes very ltitle difference.

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I think that in the past, the baby Habs just weren't a sustainable draw to stay profitable.

It's also important to remeber that the Habs don't own the Bullsdogs. They have an affiliation with them but not ownership. This is probably another reason why the Bulldogs aren't in Quebec.

As harry mentioned above, this may change with the new arena being built in Laval. I'd imagine this would be home to the new baby Habs, especially seeing as the new regime seems to want to have as many Quebec roots as possible.

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Just a question I was asking myself... Why aren't the Bulldogs located in the Montreal area or even Quebec.
The owner of the Bulldogs doesn't want to move them out of Hamilton, so Habs have to find another AHL team to relocate if they wish to do that.

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I agree that it would make a lot of sense to have them in Montreal, but geez, I have to have something hockey related to look forward to when I'm back in the GTA.

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I remember the old days of the black aces playing at the forum.
So don't tell me it can't be done.
But if the Habs had a bunch or their own prospects playing in Laval, the place would be packed. The only reason the old black aces mover away was because the price of HAB tickets were way still affordable and everyone wanted to see the real Habs.
Now that you can't buy a cheap ticket anymore for the Habs, actually you can't buy a ticket at all unless it's from the scalpers. Laval arena would sell out.

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The owner of the Bulldogs doesn't want to move them out of Hamilton, so Habs have to find another AHL team to relocate if they wish to do that.
And since the Michael Andlauer, owner of the Bulldogs is also part of the Molson's ownership group I doubt the relationship will be terminated any time soon.

The Bulldogs franchise will be the Habs farm team for the forseeable future and it certainly is in the best interest to maintain the relationship from an ownership point of view. Selfishly, I enjoy being able to see Habs prospects in the GTA.


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Could also be about giving their prospects a place to play and get used to the professional game away from the microscopic evaluation and judgment of Habs-crazy media and fans.

That being said, it makes sense from the perspective of helping the management keep track of their prospects that could ultimately really help both the development of prospects and the team's understanding of what the actually have. Could help with planning the team's direction and possibly making trades.

I dunno. I think they may as well get used to it. Junior guys aren't going to be affected and most college guys and Europeans are coming in later anyway so they won't be babies. Maybe it would even make it more likely that European prospects would come over earlier, knowing they'd be playing in Montreal, not Hamilton, one way or another (no offense to Hamilton).

I vote for the team in Laval.

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Probably the same reason the Leafs farm team is a bust in Toronto. People in these markets like NHL or junior hockey and not in between like the AHL. I work in Hamilton and hardly get to any Bulldogs games now for the same reason, like most Hab fans here and there are a lot of them. I go see the Niagara Ice Dogs play more although I will probably go to more Dogs games this year as there are a few prospects I'd like to see play.

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The owner of the Bulldogs doesn't want to move them out of Hamilton, so Habs have to find another AHL team to relocate if they wish to do that.
He's part of the Habs ownership group as well, doubt they find a different affiliate.


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The owner of the Bulldogs doesn't want to move them out of Hamilton, so Habs have to find another AHL team to relocate if they wish to do that.
This is the last year the Dogs are under contract with the Habs if I recall correctly, so we'll see if they are re-upped or not.

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There is little or no ''culture shock'' outside french and good poutine.

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Selfishly, I enjoy being able to see Habs prospects in the GTA.
Same.

I'm a 10 minute streetcar ride away from Ricoh and a pretty easy drive to Hamilton.

Works great for me!

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And since the Michael Andlauer, owner of the Bulldogs is also part of the Molson's ownership group I doubt the relationship will be terminated any time soon.

The Bulldogs franchise will be the Habs farm team for the forseeable future and it certainly is in the best interest to maintain the relationship from an ownership point of view. Selfishly, I enjoy being able to see Habs prospects in the GTA.
Not so selfish. There are a lot of Habs fans in Ontario, having the farm team there is a legitimate way to reward that fanbase.

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There is little or no ''culture shock'' outside french and good poutine.
And playing in Ottawa or Montreal is the same 'shock' for any Russian or Czech player.

NHL players have it good man most are a short inter continental flight from home.

Footballers leave their native South America or Africa to go in England,Russia or Spain..

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I wish they'd move it back to Fredericton, would go to so many games during the school year

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This is the last year the Dogs are under contract with the Habs if I recall correctly, so we'll see if they are re-upped or not.
Again, Andlauer owns the Bulldogs outright and is a part of the ownership group of the Habs. They'll be re-upped if he remains a part of Montreal's ownership.

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Would be great to have them, or at least an AHL team in Laval or the Montreal area.

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New 10,000 seats arena being built in Laval. Wouldn't be shocked if our farm team moved there in 2014.
This is very possible but I guess it would depend on if they feel there is a market for it. Junior teams have not worked recently in Montreal and Laval so I guess depends on if someone wants to take a chance on it.

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There was no support for the Montreal Rocket when they were in town, which is why they moved to PEI.

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With a new arena in Laval, I expect the Habs to make a move to bring their AHL team there.

Quebec City doesn't want an AHL team, especially a Montreal's affiliate ! with a new arena in 3 years and NO NHL team to play in, they might think about it...

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Personally I'd be much more inclined to go see the AHL version of the Habs than a Junior team. Just me though.

Actually I kind of wish they were here now, would be a great alternative during a lockout.

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