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08-20-2012, 02:43 PM
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Hypothetical rosters for under-23 World Cup (89s and younger)

Let's say that there's a hypothetical World Championship held on Jan 1st (meaning that all players must be born in 1989 or later). u-23 and that date in particular because u23 is common for youth type cups and it prevents some '88 players like Toews or J Staal or Kane or Giroux from being there however some like Tavares, Pietrangelo, Stamkos, and Karlsson are still in.

Let's say the teams are Canada A, Canada B, USA A, USA B, and the Russians I'm assuming can field two teams plus one or two Swedish teams and a Finnish team (feel free to do them for other countries). The A team is the actual A team and not a mix btw but feel free to do it whatever way you want. Only thing is that the backup goalie on Team A would need to be the 3rd or 4th best with the 2nd best goalie being the starter on Team B and any additional players on Team A not being good enough to start on Team B either.

Here's what my rosters would look like. I think with Canada A, it's pretty straightforward except for dman #6 and some might choose Hackett as the Team A goalie and Holtby as the B starter. Team B is a lot more contentious. I obviously value NHL experience quite a bit but I'd imagine that in a u23 tourney, a lot of younger players including ones I've omitted (Rielly, Dumba, MacKinnon, etc) would excel so it's fun to look at them and see where you'd place the jnr players compared to NHLers for teams other than Canada A

Canada A
Stamkos-Tavares-Seguin
Skinner-Couture-Eberle
Hall-Duchene-RNH
Kane-R O'Reilly-Benn (that is a tough line)

Myers-Pietrangelo
Subban-Doughty (I shudder to put these two risk takers together)
MDZ-Cowen

Holtby starting goalie
Glennie backup

*Yes I've put in Cowen ahead of Spurgeon who played as a no1 for part of last season and Hamonic as well but Cowen unlike Spurgeon brings grit and I think a solid dman is needed next to MDZ and I just like him more than Hamonic

Canada B (this team has a lot of centres)
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Ennis
B Schenn
Couturier
Turris
Henrique
Johansen
Gagner
Huberdeau
Brandon Sutter
Hodgson
B Connolly
Schwartz (I like Kadri more in a jnr tournament but this team needs some natural wingers)

Dmen
Spurgeon
Hamonic
Hamilton
Brodie
L Schenn
Scandella

Goalie
Hackett
Subban? Roy? Bunz?

HM aka extras for both Canada teams: M Foligno, Bailey, Shaw, Kadri, Colborne, DSP, Z Kassian, Adam, Strome, Scheifele, LeBlanc, Dalpe, Toffoli, Eakin, Rattie, Cizikas, Adam, M Stone, Ashton, Caron, Conacher, G Bourque
B Smith, Elliott, Gormley, J Morrow, Despres, R Ellis, Schultz, R Murphy, Barbeiro, Barrie, McNabb, R Murray
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USA A Awesome defence this team has imo
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Stepan
JVR
Colin Wilson
Kreider
Craig Smith
K Palmieri
Atkinson
Saad
Coyle
Bjugstad
Etem
Galchenyuk

Dmen
McDonagh
Carlson
Bogosian
Fowler
Shattenkirk
Faulk (sorry Leafs fans, I like Faulk more than Gardiner so far)

Goalie:
Campbell
Gibson

USA B

Tangradi
JT Miller
Zucker
JT Brown
Morin
Schroeder
Bowman
A Watson
McRae
D'Amigo
Geoffrion
Knight

Dmen
Gardiner
Leddy
Blum
J Moore
I Cole
Olsen

Goalie:
McCollum

HM & Extras for both teams: Prince, Shore, Grimaldi, Bennett, Geoffrion, Biggs, Rau, N Palmieri
Merrill, Forbort, Trouba, Dumoulin, Tinordi, Donovan
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Sweden A Very impressive defence
Landeskog
M Johansson
Nyquist
Zibanejad
Josefson
Silfverberg
Kruger
Paajarvi
Backlund
F Forsberg
Tedenby
Jarnkrok

Dmen
OEL
Karlsson
Larsson
Hedman
Brodin
Erixon

Markstrom
Lehner

Team B partial: Ullstrom, Klingberg, J Larsson, Lander, J Andersson, Petersson, Friberg, Moller, Rask, Rodin, Nylen, Lindberg
Rundblad, Klefbom, Lindholm, Collberg, Aberg, Ekholm, Johan Gustafsson,
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Russia A
Burmistrov
Tarasenko
Kuznetsov
Yakupov
Loktionov
Dadonov
Khokhlachev
Namestnikov
Kitsyn
Gusev
Grigorenko
Petrov

Dmen
Kulikov
Voynov
Orlov
Goncharov
Chudinov
Masharenko

Goalie:
Bobkov
Makarov
Vasilevski

And some extras: Galiev, Grachev, Kalinin, Telegin, Filatov, Avtsin, Kabanov, Mayorov, Panarin, and I don't know much about Russian prospects so I'll stop here
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Finland
FBJ
Pulkinnen
Armia
T Terevainen
Hartikainen
Barkov
Marcus Granlund
Lucenius
Salomaki
Danskoi
Rask
Rajala
Nattinen
Lajunen
Elo

Vatanen
Maatta
Pokka
Hakanpaa
Vaionen
Jarvinen
Kivisto
Eronen
Ristolainen

Aittokallio
Gibson
Ortio
Sateri

Apologies for anyone I missed. Edited cos I forgot Couturier and Sutter/M Foligno on USA actually play for Canada.


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If this were to actually happen then just like in Vancouver Canada would have a real line from the NHL

Hall - RNH - Eberle

Also, Sweden and Russia probably wouldn't have enough for two competitive teams in a tournament like this.

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I'd put Couturier in Canada A, or at least in Canada B.

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Ah eff forgot about Couturier.

I would think he'd be in Team A based on improving over the summer but based on last season, I'd take Ennis and O'Reilly over Couturier so would operate on that assumption if there was a lockout.

I bet Hockey Canada in that hypothetical team B would end up taking DSP or Shaw or someone to provide grit instead of one of the other fwds in there.

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Benn is a center and better than Couture, Duchene, and O'Reilly at the moment. Should be the #2 center behind Tavares or Stamkos (get them to play together - that will be absolute magic).

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I disagree about Benn being better than Duchene and Couture and Duchene even with his struggles last season would absolutely fly in an u23 tourney. Benn's a natural winger from what I know anyway and just played C last season. Plus I like him on that line with Kane, gives some good size...it's not like he'd be getting 4th line minutes cos you roll all four lines. I have ROR as the C on that line because he's excellent as a 2-way player. The Skinner-Tavares-Eberle line was amazing during the WC so they have chemistry but you need the best playmaker on the team (Tavares) playign with Stamkos.

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Mikael Granlund for Finland i cant believe you forget him

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^ He's the first Finnish player I have listed on their team :S

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Marcus Foligno and Sutter have both played for Canada at the WJC.


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I disagree about Benn being better than Duchene and Couture and Duchene even with his struggles last season would absolutely fly in an u23 tourney. Benn's a natural winger from what I know anyway and just played C last season. Plus I like him on that line with Kane, gives some good size...it's not like he'd be getting 4th line minutes cos you roll all four lines. I have ROR as the C on that line because he's excellent as a 2-way player. The Skinner-Tavares-Eberle line was amazing during the WC so they have chemistry but you need the best playmaker on the team (Tavares) playign with Stamkos.
He's actually most effective at center. That's his position now and for the future, highly highly unlikely it changes unless you've got centers significantly better than him (Olympic level teams).

Even if he wasn't struggling, Benn would still be better and more well-rounded.

There's not much size at all on that roster to be honest.

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He's actually most effective at center. That's his position now and for the future, highly highly unlikely it changes unless you've got centers significantly better than him (Olympic level teams).

Even if he wasn't struggling, Benn would still be better and more well-rounded.

There's not much size at all on that roster to be honest.
I recall listening on to a radio interview (TEAM1260 in Edmonton) a year or so ago with the Dallas Stars' play-by-play commentator (I believe). This was when DAL had B.Richards, but the commentator (can't remember his name) believed Benn could be a good center but a great left winger, even suggesting Benn would score 40 goals playing wing. Was this the general opinion a few years ago but with the bigger need for a center, DAL have permanently moved him to center?

(I am afraid I don't have the time to find the original interview)

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I think it would be really cool to see this happen. Nice work on the rosters.

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No joke, I would have Ryan Murray on Canada 'A'. Thats not hype. I trust him more than even a guy like Cowen. So calm, cool and collected.

Overall, this would be a sick tourney, although anything less than a Canada gold would be shocking. Stamkos, Tavares, Couture, Eberle are the best 4 forwards U-23.

And that excluded an extremely strong 88 year for Canada where we have: Staal, Giroux, Simmonds, Toews

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Let's say that there's a hypothetical World Championship held on Jan 1st (meaning that all players must be born in 1989 or later). u-23 and that date in particular because u23 is common for youth type cups and it prevents some '88 players like Toews or J Staal or Kane or Giroux from being there however some like Tavares, Pietrangelo, Stamkos, and Karlsson are still in.

Let's say the teams are Canada A, Canada B, USA A, USA B, and the Russians I'm assuming can field two teams plus one or two Swedish teams and a Finnish team (feel free to do them for other countries). The A team is the actual A team and not a mix btw but feel free to do it whatever way you want. Only thing is that the backup goalie on Team A would need to be the 3rd or 4th best with the 2nd best goalie being the starter on Team B and any additional players on Team A not being good enough to start on Team B either.

Here's what my rosters would look like. I think with Canada A, it's pretty straightforward except for dman #6 and some might choose Hackett as the Team A goalie and Holtby as the B starter. Team B is a lot more contentious. I obviously value NHL experience quite a bit but I'd imagine that in a u23 tourney, a lot of younger players including ones I've omitted (Rielly, Dumba, MacKinnon, etc) would excel so it's fun to look at them and see where you'd place the jnr players compared to NHLers for teams other than Canada A

Canada A
Stamkos-Tavares-Seguin
Skinner-Couture-Eberle
Hall-Duchene-RNH
Kane-R O'Reilly-Benn (that is a tough line)

Myers-Pietrangelo
Subban-Doughty (I shudder to put these two risk takers together)
MDZ-Cowen

Holtby starting goalie
Glennie backup
Probably just having a brain fart here, but who is this?

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Just realized that Dylan Olsen was born in the US but also plays for team Canada.

Anyway for fun, what would the lineup for a rest of the world (Czechs, Slovakians, Danes, Swiss, Germans, etc) look like? I assume this would be part of the pool but I'm sure I'm missing some. A Boedker-Eller-Voracek line would do pretty well in the tournament.

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Boedker
Voracek
Eller
Horak
Tatar
Vincour
Baertschi
Niederreiter
Olden
Kuhnhackl
Noebels
Reider
Girgensons
Panik
Marek Tvrdon
Ceresnak
Faksa
Hertl
Frk
Jensen
Jurco
Jaskin
Palat
Bozon
Kubalik

dmen
Josi
Larsen
Sbisa
Kundratek
Musil
Marincin
Gudas
Polasek

Mrazek
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F Andersen
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Just realized that Dylan Olsen was born in the US but also plays for team Canada.

Anyway for fun, what would the lineup for a rest of the world (Czechs, Slovakians, Danes, Swiss, Germans, etc) look like? I assume this would be part of the pool but I'm sure I'm missing some. A Boedker-Eller-Voracek line would do pretty well in the tournament

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This team would do better with a 50 year old Dominik Hasek in net than any of those other young guys

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I disagree about Benn being better than Duchene and Couture and Duchene even with his struggles last season would absolutely fly in an u23 tourney. Benn's a natural winger from what I know anyway and just played C last season. Plus I like him on that line with Kane, gives some good size...it's not like he'd be getting 4th line minutes cos you roll all four lines. I have ROR as the C on that line because he's excellent as a 2-way player. The Skinner-Tavares-Eberle line was amazing during the WC so they have chemistry but you need the best playmaker on the team (Tavares) playign with Stamkos.
Benn's been playing centre for two seasons now (Played a little wing 2 years ago when but they were mostly using him at centre) and it doesn't matter if he's a natural winger, he's much more effective at centre. His only problem is faceoffs which will improve.

And I don't know how you can say he isn't better than Couture or Duchene.

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Simon Hjalmarsson is another player to add as a possible alternative on Sweden.

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Skinner - Tavares - Stamkos
Hall - Nugent-Hopkins - Eberle
Duchene - Couture - Benn
Kane - O'Reilly - Seguin
Henrique

Doughty - Pietrangelo
Subban - Hamonic
Del Zotto - Myers
Cowen

Holtby
Hackett

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Oh man Finland would get beaten the **** out of them.

Hope that changes in a few years.

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Nyquist - Johansson - Landeskog
Silfverberg - Jarnkrok - Larsson
Zibanejad - Kruger - Petersson
Hjalmarsson - Josefson - Paajarvi
Backlund

Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson
Hedman - Larsson
Erixon - Rundblad
Ekholm

Markstrom
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Forwards

VanRiemsdyk - Stepan - Krieder
K. Palmeri - Wilson - Etem
Saad - Bjugstad - C. Smith
Tangradi - Coyle - Geoffrion
Galchenyuk

Defensemen

McDonagh - Carlson
Shattenkirk - Bogosian
Fowler - Faulk
Leddy

Goaltenders

Campbell
Gibson

PP Units

Wilson - Stepan - VanRiemsdyk
Shattenkirk - Fowler

K. Palmeri - Bjugstad - Krieder
Carlson - Galchenyuk

PK Units

Wilon - C. Smith
McDonagh - Carlson

Stepan - Saad
Faulk - Bogosian

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Canada's forwards are so much superior compared with every other country.. wow

Benn - Tavares - Stamkos
Hall - RNH - Eberle
Skinner - Couture - Seguin
Duchene - O'Reilly - Couturier
Kane

Doughty - Pietrangelo
Subban - Myers
Hamonic - MDZ

Holtby
York?

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Nyquist - Johansson - Landeskog
Silfverberg - Jarnkrok - Larsson
Zibanejad - Kruger - Petersson
Hjalmarsson - Josefson - Paajarvi
Backlund

Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson
Hedman - Larsson
Erixon - Rundblad
Ekholm
I take Brodin over Erixon/Ekholm. Would Forsberg also not be good enough to be in the starting line-up? I don't think Brodin would have any problem playing with some bigger guys but maybe Forsberg would need more experience first?

The Canada A squad is pretty boring to do cos it's quite obvious outside of the 6th dman (Hamonic or Spurgeon or Cowen or Murray/Hamilton as someone said). The B squad is more interesting imo because you're comparing prospects with some NHL experience like Connolly to Huberdeau or Schwartz or Scandella to R Murphy or Ellis or Gormley and who gets in/out.

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Canada's forwards are so much superior compared with every other country.. wow

Benn - Tavares - Stamkos
Hall - RNH - Eberle
Skinner - Couture - Seguin
Duchene - O'Reilly - Couturier
Kane

Doughty - Pietrangelo
Subban - Myers
Hamonic - MDZ

Holtby
York?
Matt Hackett.

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