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08-20-2012, 07:37 PM
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Rielly>Murray?

Rielly was always called the most dynamic dman, prior to getting
injured. Murray does everything well but not spectacularly. I also
thought that he will outpoint Murray this coming season (If Murray
plays in the W). I'm glad to see I have some backup, even though
he is just a blogger.

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Based on what I've seen to date I rate Morgan Rielly is a better prospect than Ryan Murray. #Leafs
What do you think?

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08-20-2012, 07:43 PM
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There are many scouts who believe Rielly is a better prospect than Murray. I agree with them.

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08-20-2012, 07:50 PM
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From what I've read/heard, Murray is more of a "sure thing" whereas Rielly is more of a "risk-reward" type pick.

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'...if I'd had the first overall pick in the draft I would have taken him so there!...'


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Everyone is going to pick Rielly despite the fact that most haven't really seen either of them play a significant amount of times.

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depends what a team needs. I think Murray makes the NHL this year, i think Rielly is a year or 2 away.

That said, i think Rielly has a higher ceiling.

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'...if I'd had the first overall pick in the draft I would have taken him so there!...'

First thing I thought of too lol.

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What if Rielly had played a full season and kept up his offensive production? Could he have gone ahead of Murray you think?

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What if Rielly had played a full season and kept up his offensive production? Could he have gone ahead of Murray you think?
easily COULD have gone ahead, we would have alot more to scrutinize him on mind you.

how many times have ppg dmen come out of the whl? have any in recent memory?

for example, renegade stylings who covers the WHL extensively thinks that Rielly will probably put up 55ish pts next year. thats how rare it is.

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Murray is the safer pick. Rielly has the higher ceiling.

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Murray's a great young player and I wouldn't have been upset with that choice had he fallen to us (not likely). I don't know who will be better but I'm happy with acquiring Rielly.

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Murray brings everything that you can ask for in a prospect or player. His skill level doesn't scream flashiness that some expect from their prospect or player, however regardless of the situation, he is always effective. He's like the western Alex Pietrangelo to me, still developing his offense and what not but a rock solid guy to have in the back end.

Rielly on the other hand, has his offense and skating probably pro level for his age, but he still has work to do.

In short, one is a sure shot safe prospect, while the other is high risk high reward prospect.

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From what I've read/heard, Murray is more of a "sure thing" whereas Rielly is more of a "risk-reward" type pick.
I don't see the risk in Rielly. He's fully recovered if the injury is factored into the risk. The kid is a stud and most likely would have been picked 2nd overall if not injured last season. I would argue he could have gone 1st considering the Oilers need a stud defenseman and probably would have put up a PPG+ season.

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The super series opened my eyes as to why Murray was so highly regarded by scouts. No, maybe he won't be the next scott niedermayer, but he will easily will be a #2-3# steady most likely, and has the potential to be a #1.

Rielly just has phenomenal skills though, I think his ceiling is higher.

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I don't see the risk in Rielly. He's fully recovered if the injury is factored into the risk. The kid is a stud and most likely would have been picked 2nd overall if not injured last season. I would argue he could have gone 1st considering the Oilers need a stud defenseman and probably would have put up a PPG+ season.
I agree his high hockey iq and skating are at a high enough level that he will at least be able to be a decent NHL defenceman.

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Murray brings everything that you can ask for in a prospect or player. His skill level doesn't scream flashiness that some expect from their prospect or player, however regardless of the situation, he is always effective. He's like the western Alex Pietrangelo to me, still developing his offense and what not but a rock solid guy to have in the back end.

Rielly on the other hand, has his offense and skating probably pro level for his age, but he still has work to do.

In short, one is a sure shot safe prospect, while the other is high risk high reward prospect.
I can see the Pietrangelo comparison because of their size but Pietro always had great offensive upside that just needed time to develop. For Murray...it's doubtful it's even there.

To me Murray looks a lot like Ryan Suter. Definitely not a bad player to have on your team.

Rielly's weaknesses are largely with positioning in his own end. If his coaches can teach him to do less in the defensive zone and position a bit better, he can be the better player in the long run since I don't think Murray will ever touch Rielly offensively.

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Lets be clear to everyone:
Ryan Murray is NOT the Luke Schenn of the 2012 draft.

Ya the offense isnt always existant, but more often than not its because Murray chooses not to rush the puck like others. His first pass is amazing (see the Worlds) his skating in tight areas is phenominal, and hes well positioned in the D zone

Ryan Murray to me is easily the smartest defenceman to come out of the CHL in the last 10 - 15 years

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Rielly's weaknesses are largely with positioning in his own end. If his coaches can teach him to do less in the defensive zone and position a bit better, he can be the better player in the long run since I don't think Murray will ever touch Rielly offensively.
Positioning is the easiest thing to correct, particularly if you're smart.

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Lets be clear to everyone:
Ryan Murray is NOT the Luke Schenn of the 2012 draft.

Ya the offense isnt always existant, but more often than not its because Murray chooses not to rush the puck like others. His first pass is amazing (see the Worlds) his skating in tight areas is phenominal, and hes well positioned in the D zone

Ryan Murray to me is easily the smartest defenceman to come out of the CHL in the last 10 - 15 years
That might be a bit of hyperbole considering the talent coming out of the CHL on a yearly basis.

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Ryan Murray plays a lot like Ryan McDonagh.

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08-20-2012, 09:37 PM
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Some have compared Murray to a young Einstein.

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Imo rielly potential #1 dman, murray potential #2 dman.

Murray is more likely to meet his potential however

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Ryan Murray to me is easily the smartest defenceman to come out of the CHL in the last 10 - 15 years
Even smarter than Drew Doughty? Wow.

Jk,

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Imo rielly potential #1 dman, murray potential #2 dman.

Murray is more likely to meet his potential however
Exactly this.

However, it's important to let Rielly play at least a full season in the WHL to definitely call him a "better prospect". There's still a lot of things such as consistency and defensive play that need to be worked on(not that he's not consistent, he just needs to prove it after his injury). And even then, Murray will probably have a full NHL season under his belt. Thus, as usual when comparing prospects, wait and see.

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