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08-21-2012, 09:18 AM
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How true it is. I've never heard of either guy before the draft but I will pick Reilly because he was drafted by Burke.
Yeah it's shocking there are people which follow players and hockey leagues other then the NHL.

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08-21-2012, 10:27 AM
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Why?

A Murray-Phaneuf pairing would be awesome.
The last thing I ever want to see is the Leafs throwing away top-5 picks on guys whose best assets are "hockey sense" and "poise" and "leadership" instead of "elite hockey skills".

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08-21-2012, 10:30 AM
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Hockey IQ is the number 1 limiting factor that prevents a defenceman with all the "tools" from becoming a franchise player.

Thats pretty much the difference between Phaneuf and Weber for example. And considering both Murray and Rielly have extremely high hockey IQ, both have the potential to become #1 Dmen.

Some #1 Dmen dont have a ton of size, or dont play physical, or dont have the best shots, etc. but all of them have high hockey IQ, its a requirement for being a top notch defender in the NHL. Which bodes well for both of these young guys.

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08-21-2012, 10:34 AM
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Hockey IQ is also the #1 reason why guys without elite NHL skills can misleadingly look elite at the junior level.

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Hockey IQ is also the #1 reason why guys without elite NHL skills can misleadingly look elite at the junior level.
Fair enough, but Rielly has extremely strong skating/puck skills compared to his peers, so he's not just an average skater/puck mover with elite "IQ".

Not to mention you can work on your skating, your passing, your shooting, etc. but its very difficult to "teach" the ability to read plays before they unfold, proper defensive positioning, be calm under pressure, and make smart split second decisions.

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This kid attained a point per game in his draft year as a junior (in the lower scoring WHL no less), not even recent draft picks like Murray, Reinhart or Hamilton have done that. If it weren't for his knee injury no way he would have been available at number 5. Another year to dominate in junior will do wonders for Rielly.

Knowledgable NHL scouts have compared Rielly to Duncan Keith, Kris Letang or even Karlsson. This was a great pick. We haven`t had a blueline quarterback like this since the days of Salming. Gardiner is good. I think this kid will be even better.

Give him 2-3 years longer to develop and I think he'll be a top pairing d-man.
I'm not sure that's true...


The OHL had 14 players over 78 points last season. The WHL had 21. OHL had 6 teams over 250 goals. WHL had 11.

And the WHL only has 2 more teams than the OHL.

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08-21-2012, 11:07 AM
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I'm not sure that's true...


The OHL had 14 players over 78 points last season. The WHL had 21. OHL had 6 teams over 250 goals. WHL had 11.

And the WHL only has 2 more teams than the OHL.
Im pretty sure the "low" scoring WHL and "high" scoring QMJHL stereotypes are from like 10+ years ago, like you pointed out, WHL had higher scoring last year.

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Im pretty sure the "low" scoring WHL and "high" scoring QMJHL stereotypes are from like 10+ years ago, like you pointed out, WHL had higher scoring last year.
It probably also comes from the WHL producing so many NHL defensemen over the years.

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08-21-2012, 11:39 AM
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In short, one is a sure shot safe prospect, while the other is high risk high reward prospect.
I wouldn't say Rielly is high risk, i would say hes more like slight risk

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The last thing I ever want to see is the Leafs throwing away top-5 picks on guys whose best assets are "hockey sense" and "poise" and "leadership" instead of "elite hockey skills".
Hockey sense and poise get you very far in this league...

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08-21-2012, 12:07 PM
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The last thing I ever want to see is the Leafs throwing away top-5 picks on guys whose best assets are "hockey sense" and "poise" and "leadership" instead of "elite hockey skills".
Not a fan of Niklas Lidstrom?

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Hockey IQ is also the #1 reason why guys without elite NHL skills can misleadingly look elite at the junior level.
Hockey IQ is also the #1 reason guys WITH elite skills, turn into busts at the pro level.

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Hockey IQ is also the #1 reason guys WITH elite skills, turn into busts at the pro level.
Especially for defencemen. Forwards, especially wingers, can get away with just their skills because theyre not relied on defensivey nearly to the same extent.

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Hockey sense and poise get you very far in this league...
True, Rielly has all of those traits plus a ridiculously high hockey IQ and elite skating.

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This may sound peculiar, but I see the low risk of Rielly as Jake Gardiner. Who I see as a Tomas Kaberle type player. High end for Rielly is the hopes he can be another Brian Leetch.

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Rielly's the biggest high risk/boom bust prospect that isn't IMO.

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Ryan Murray is one smooth customer, I imagine you could compare him to the way a 2nd overall defenseman like Wade Redden could step into the NHL as a teenager and turn a last place team into a respectable one. I think he could gradually build up a pretty good offensive game too.

I can only hope that Rielly works out as our Letang/Karlsson/Doughty homerun, we need that spark so badly, it could really re-energize the organization. In that respect I also prefer Rielly.
Doughty? I don't think so. He's more physical.

Letang/Karlsson? yes. Rielly could be as good and better than them.

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Doughty? I don't think so. He's more physical.

Letang/Karlsson? yes. Rielly could be as good and better than them.
Letang plays a very fiesty game as well.

If you watch him with any regularity, you will notice it.

Karlsson.... well I think Rielly has the potential and the physical frame to be more physical than Karlsson.


It should be interesting to see Rielly now that he will have the physical confidence to push other players around.

He obviously wouldn't have this as a 16 year old and he only played 18 games as a 17 year old.


Should be interesting to see.

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I'm not sure that's true...


The OHL had 14 players over 78 points last season. The WHL had 21. OHL had 6 teams over 250 goals. WHL had 11.

And the WHL only has 2 more teams than the OHL.
If you are right, then my mistake, sorry.

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08-21-2012, 01:01 PM
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I would rather have reilly. You cant teach that skill he has, good playmaking skills, elite vision, great hockey IQ

I wouldn't say he is a high risk, his combine results were awesome, his injury is fully healed now. However, I would say he is a slight risk.
Murray is just anoter shut down dman who is a more safer pick.

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08-21-2012, 01:20 PM
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It seems to me like Murray is more of a sure thing, and Rielly has higher potential, but is slightly less likely to reach it.

It really comes down to which you prefer. I think with the state of the franchises, both Columbus and Toronto made the right choices. New York, I'm not so sure.

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08-21-2012, 01:25 PM
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I respectfully disagree about Rielly being a high risk prospect. If there were questions about his size, strength or hockey sense than I might agree...but all of those are no worse than average. Unless you are hinting at his injured knee? I don't see that as a problem as he did return from injury and play decently plus made a good showing at the combine.
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I wouldn't say Rielly is high risk, i would say hes more like slight risk
I dunno...I've always seen him as a player with the capability of going very high or just be a special teams player. I like him and glad we picked him up when we decide to selected a defensemen, but even so...there are risks with this guy as he still has to improve other aspects of him, not just skills set.

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08-21-2012, 01:36 PM
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It seems to me like Murray is more of a sure thing, and Rielly has higher potential, but is slightly less likely to reach it.

It really comes down to which you prefer. I think with the state of the franchises, both Columbus and Toronto made the right choices. New York, I'm not so sure.
I don't see anything wrong with NY choice either.

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Everyone is going to pick Rielly despite the fact that most haven't really seen either of them play a significant amount of times.
I agree that you should watch them play but just going but what Scouts say, if you want risk/reward you go with Rielly....

I would take the bigger upside personally.

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