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Do you believe Martin will bounce back next season?

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08-21-2012, 06:08 PM
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Do you believe Martin will bounce back next season?

Yes or no...do you think Martin will bounce back next year and be able to give us 23+ good minutes a game?

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08-21-2012, 06:11 PM
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if paired with Letang i'm (arbitrarily) 80% confident that he bounces back. but if paired with Orpik i'd say i'm only 50% confident that he bounces back.

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08-21-2012, 06:35 PM
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I hope so. Shut up all these people who think he's the Scott Gomez of defenseman.

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08-21-2012, 06:39 PM
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I think so. His last season wasn't as bad as most seem to think, at least not the first half. He has the skill, I have hope that he'll find his mojo again.

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08-21-2012, 06:58 PM
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Yes.

-Only 1 way to go from the bottom
-Miserable Michalek is gone. No longer has to have the worst D man as a partner
-As a side note, he may now be our worst D man
-Was a dominant possession D man in NJ prior to shoulder injury. I don't know if that has severely effected his career or he is just going through a tough time.

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08-21-2012, 07:07 PM
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anything's gotta be a bounce back. He can't be as bad as he was last year.

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08-21-2012, 07:08 PM
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The bar is set low...just for his sake and his sake alone I hope so...

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08-21-2012, 07:16 PM
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Mean reversion says yes.

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08-21-2012, 07:18 PM
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I think he'll be better than last year for sure. I think he'll be back to being a really good defenseman as soon as he's playing in a simpler and safer defensive system whether that is with us or someone else. Doesn't need to be a complete trap or anything, just a full team commitment to playing smart defense like we saw with Sid and Geno out in 2010-2011.

That said, he'll also likely never be a great playoff d-man because his lack of physicality isn't changing anytime soon.

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08-21-2012, 07:24 PM
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He showed improvement throughout the season. We'll never see him live up to his cap hit, unfortunately. Really hope he gets better.

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08-21-2012, 07:27 PM
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I think there's a good chance that he'll play closer to the level he did his first year in Pittsburgh than this past season, but at the same time I'm not comfortable with his "style" of defenseman as our de facto #2. This is especially the case come playoff time, where he just doesn't seem to play a game that's conducive to playoff hockey.

I hope he can rebound. At the very least it will bump up his trade value if Shero decides to go that route.

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08-21-2012, 07:28 PM
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No, as in he won't be a legitimately good top 3 defenseman on a Cup contender. Honestly, I think his 2010-11 play has gained a bit of mythological bump due to his poor play last season. I though he was a bit above-average but I don't think he was a great player that season.

One thing that makes me think Martin could rebound is if DB uses him more effectively, i.e., do not use him strictly against high-level players. His qualcomp was easily the highest of the Pens' d-man last year during 5 on 5 play which makes me believe that he (and the Pens by extension) would really benefit from shifting him to a less strenuous role. This is going to mean guys like Despres, Niskaean and Engelland, whom were really sheltered 5 on 5 last year, are going to have to step up in minutes played and competition faced.

In short, I don't he will return to a level of consistently high play that he displayed in NJ but I think if used more judiciously, he can still play a solid role on the team. Whether or not DB goes it direction, we'll see.

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08-21-2012, 07:32 PM
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I hope so but probably not.

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08-21-2012, 07:35 PM
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No, as in he won't be a legitimately good top 3 defenseman on a Cup contender. Honestly, I think his 2010-11 play has gained a bit of mythological bump due to his poor play last season. I though he was a bit above-average but I don't think he was a great player that season.

One thing that makes me think Martin could rebound is if DB uses him more effectively, i.e., do not use him strictly against high-level players. His qualcomp was easily the highest of the Pens' d-man last year during 5 on 5 play which makes me believe that he (and the Pens by extension) would really benefit from shifting him to a less strenuous role. This is going to mean guys like Despres, Niskaean and Engelland, whom were really sheltered 5 on 5 last year, are going to have to step up in minutes played and competition faced.

In short, I don't he will return to a level of consistently high play that he displayed in NJ but I think if used more judiciously, he can still play a solid role on the team. Whether or not DB goes it direction, we'll see.
Sadly, the same thing seems true of Orpik at this point too. They could make a really solid 2nd pairing probably.

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08-21-2012, 07:45 PM
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He showed improvement throughout the season. We'll never see him live up to his cap hit, unfortunately. Really hope he gets better.
Martin really doesn't have to play that much better to be worth his cap hit, TBH. Just look at what guys got this summer:

Carle - 5.5
Wideman - 5.25
Garrison - 4.6
Kronwall - 4.75

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08-21-2012, 08:52 PM
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I think he'll be better than last year for sure. I think he'll be back to being a really good defenseman as soon as he's playing in a simpler and safer defensive system whether that is with us or someone else. Doesn't need to be a complete trap or anything, just a full team commitment to playing smart defense like we saw with Sid and Geno out in 2010-2011.

That said, he'll also likely never be a great playoff d-man because his lack of physicality isn't changing anytime soon.
This is true for ... well, the entire D.

With that said, as pissed off as Shero was after our spectacular first round exit, I would be very surprised if there aren't some tweaks/changes to the system ... which should contribute to a bounce back year for Martin and Orpik both.

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08-21-2012, 10:23 PM
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I think he will.

He lacked confidence with the puck, and didn't play his game. On the other side, he would compensate that by trying to do too much. He just never looked comfortable, and subsequently couldn't find a groove. I think he makes the most of next season.

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08-21-2012, 10:36 PM
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Yes, but it won't matter what he does. HF is convinced he's a horrible hockey player and Pens fans have labeled him as a scapegoat. Unless he wins the norris, he'll get a ton of heat.

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08-21-2012, 10:41 PM
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He's been worling very very hard his year in Minnesota to have a boince back year. He wants to stay and has gone on record in June in a couple of articles I believe saying that he loves it here, is disapppointed about having a bad season and is derermined to working hard all summer to prove his critics wrong.

Its hard to believe that he won't have a bounce back season based on how highly touted he is/was amongst his peers.

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08-21-2012, 10:41 PM
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08-21-2012, 10:45 PM
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Yes, but it won't matter what he does. HF is convinced he's a horrible hockey player and Pens fans have labeled him as a scapegoat. Unless he wins the norris, he'll get a ton of heat.
Not necessarily. Niskanen overcame his ****** rep this past year.

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08-22-2012, 12:03 AM
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I will vote no. I don't believe in Bylsma changing the system enough and Martin is just not strong enough in the NHL right now. I think he'd be a great 1 on 1 defender, but we will never see 3 on 3 down low under Bylsma.

I say he will be quite a mess all season.

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08-22-2012, 12:57 AM
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Voted yes. If he does indeed bounce back this season, the Pens' blue-line looks one awful lot better.

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08-22-2012, 01:46 AM
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I will vote no. I don't believe in Bylsma changing the system enough and Martin is just not strong enough in the NHL right now. I think he'd be a great 1 on 1 defender, but we will never see 3 on 3 down low under Bylsma.

I say he will be quite a mess all season.
That's my biggest concern. If he contines to beat his head against the wall and go with a system with obvious flaws, the defense in general is going to suffer.

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