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08-28-2012, 09:07 AM
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In case of a lockout, wat do?

Teemu H ‏@euroflyers

Kimmo Timonen unlikely to play for KalPa because of recovery from back surgery according to KalPa GM.


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Kalpa GM says Scott Hartnell has inquired about an opportunity to play for KalPa if there's a lockout in the NHL.

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What should the players do when/if there'll be a lockout? I guess waiver-eligibles will head to ADK but how about the others?

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08-28-2012, 09:16 AM
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Teemu H ‏@euroflyers

Kimmo Timonen unlikely to play for KalPa because of recovery from back surgery according to KalPa GM.


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Kalpa GM says Scott Hartnell has inquired about an opportunity to play for KalPa if there's a lockout in the NHL.

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What should the players do when/if there'll be a lockout? I guess waiver-eligibles will head to ADK but how about the others?
Actually, there would be no waiver rules since the waiver rules are in the CBA, which we won't have..


What is the Veteran Rule?

Each AHL Club must dress for each regularly scheduled or play-off game, at least eleven (11) Players, other than goaltenders, who have played in a total of not more than two hundred and sixty (260) regular season games in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League, or any European Elite League, prior to the start of the season, and one (1) player, other than goaltenders, who has played in a total of not more than three hundred and twenty (320) regular season games in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League, or any European Elite League, prior to the start of the season. Any Player who participates in European Elite League games during a hockey season in which the Player would be eligible to play in the Canadian Hockey League (excluding an overage year) shall not have such games count in the calculation of the two hundred and sixty (260) regular season games. Players on loan from the National Hockey League for a first fourteen (14) day conditioning period shall not be affected by the aforesaid experience requirement.

Players could play there as long as they fit the rules.

I'd prefer Giroux to not play in the AHL as I wouldn't want a guy looking to make a name for himself coming along and cheapshotting him.

I made a post about this before but I'm too lazy to find it..

Send Giroux and Voracek to Jagr's team in the Czech Republic

Give the D prospects some time in the AHL. Same with Couturier and Schenn.

The Swedish Elite League is out as they are not allowing out clauses for any lockout players this time around.

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Isn't Scott hartnell part owner or kalpa with kimmo?

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Isn't Scott hartnell part owner or kalpa with kimmo?
Yes, Sami Kapanen owns the majority of the shares and Hartnell and Timonen own majority shares

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I was wondering if coaches and GMs will recommend to their younger players that they play in the AHL or elsewhere and if so how will the players react as the GMs and coaches are all management and thus on the owners side in theory though not necessarily in terms of personal opinion.

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I'll take a wild guess here...

Briere: doesn't play (stays with his kids in Philly)
Voracek: Czech league
Hartnell: Finnish league
Giroux: Swiss or Czech league
B. Schenn: AHL
Fedotenko: KHL or doesn't play
Talbot: Finnish league
Simmonds: Swiss league
Couturier: AHL
Shelley: retires
Read: Norway
Wellwood: AHL
Rinaldo: AHL
Timonen: Finnish league or doesn't play
Coburn: Slovakian league
Meszaros: Slovakian or Czech league
Schenn: Swiss League
Grossmann: Finnish league or doesnt play
Gervais: KHL
Gustafsson: AHL
Bourdon: AHL
Walker: signs AHL contract or KHL
Lilja: Swedish league (doesnt return to NHL)
Bryzgalov: KHL or doesn't play
Leighton: who ****ing cares?

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08-28-2012, 11:03 AM
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It would be nice to see some of these guys stick together if at all possible. Particularly those who may see themselves playing along side particular linemates if there is a season/when there is a season.

hartnell-Giroux - (maybe even Voracek?)
I would think the Schenn brothers stick together as well if they can.

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It would be nice to see some of these guys stick together if at all possible. Particularly those who may see themselves playing along side particular linemates if there is a season/when there is a season.

hartnell-Giroux - (maybe even Voracek?)
I would think the Schenn brothers stick together as well if they can.
doubtful. Brayden could use a year in the AHL, while Luke needs to be playing against better competition

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In case of a lockout I hope that Grossmann returns home to Södertälje even though it is the second division

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In case of a lockout I hope that Grossmann returns home to Södertälje even though it is the second division
Would he be able to get an out clause though?

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Would he be able to get an out clause though?
HockeyAllsvenskan are yet undecided whether or not short term contracts will be allowed in the league and a decision will be given on september 4.

Edit: It seems that Södertälje have asked Grossmann and he might be willing to play in Södertälje, according to our club director, if short-term contracts are allowed.

http://translate.google.com/translat...-stjarnorna%2F


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I'll take a wild guess here...

Read: Norway
I'm curious as to why you think Matt Read would go to play in Norway instead of the AHL.

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I'll take a wild guess here...

Briere: doesn't play (stays with his kids in Philly)
Voracek: Czech league
Hartnell: Finnish league
Giroux: Swiss or Czech league
B. Schenn: AHL
Fedotenko: KHL or doesn't play
Talbot: Finnish league
Simmonds: Swiss league
Couturier: AHL
Shelley: retires
Read: Norway
Wellwood: AHL
Rinaldo: AHL
Timonen: Finnish league or doesn't play
Coburn: Slovakian league
Meszaros: Slovakian or Czech league
Schenn: Swiss League
Grossmann: Finnish league or doesnt play
Gervais: KHL
Gustafsson: AHL
Bourdon: AHL
Walker: signs AHL contract or KHL
Lilja: Swedish league (doesnt return to NHL)
Bryzgalov: KHL or doesn't play
Leighton: who ****ing cares?
You left important piece out- Shelley

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I'm curious as to why you think Matt Read would go to play in Norway instead of the AHL.
well, he has a one-way contract, so he would have to sign an AHL deal to play there, plus playing there isnt going to help him out since he's pretty much already done his development

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You left important piece out- Shelley
He said Shelley - Retires


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He said Shelley - Retires

My bad- flunked reading comprehension

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You left important piece out- Shelley
Unlike the Flyers ...teams are pursuing cheaper options in securing a greeter, practice cone on defense, on ice punching bag and locker room nice guy...

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well, he has a one-way contract, so he would have to sign an AHL deal to play there, plus playing there isnt going to help him out since he's pretty much already done his development
The AHL is much better competition than Norway.

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If I was an unattached player in this situation I definitely would want to go to Europe over the AHL. Is the SM-Liga relatively on par with the SEL? I could see a decent number of players going there if there are spots. If there is a lockout I'm curious to see how many non-Europeans will go to the KHL.

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The AHL is much better competition than Norway.
By far. The top scorer in Norway this season was Ryan MacMurchy. A 29 year old career AHL/ECHL tweener that has managed to score 26pts in 98 games in the AHL. In Norway, he scored 76pts in 44 games. A PPG of 1.73 in Norway compared to 0.27 in the AHL.

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If I was an unattached player in this situation I definitely would want to go to Europe over the AHL. Is the SM-Liga relatively on par with the SEL? I could see a decent number of players going there if there are spots. If there is a lockout I'm curious to see how many non-Europeans will go to the KHL.
SM-Liiga is a lesser league than the SEL. By a decent bit, but the difference isn't as big as it used to be.

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If I was an unattached player in this situation I definitely would want to go to Europe over the AHL. Is the SM-Liga relatively on par with the SEL? I could see a decent number of players going there if there are spots. If there is a lockout I'm curious to see how many non-Europeans will go to the KHL.
It's a depth thing, the SM-liiga's top teams can compete, but the bottom aren't as good as SEL. Overall, SEL is much better.

It's really tough to compare leagues because of style/rules being different, but if I were to rank (and I expect many people to trash these rankings, but here goes):

1. NHL
2. KHL
3. Elitserien
4. AHL
5. NLA
6. SM-liiga
7. Czech Extraliga
8. EBEL
9. DEL
10. Slovak Extraliga

It's also tough to rank the Czech and Slovak leagues because the top teams are excellent, but there's not a lot of depth. The bottom teams in those leagues are very bad.

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You get paid more in certain leagues as well. Switzerland pays a lot compared to aaaa Finland

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