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08-22-2012, 01:28 PM
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The same lingering injury since Juniors that keeps getting aggravated on top of other injuries = constant injuries
He injured his ankle when his skate got caught in a rut in the ice during a fight and he got cut on the forehead by Corey Potter's skate during a skating practice mishap. Those flukey injuries could have happened to anybody, he just had bad luck.
Think of it this way, he was still able to produce at a high level with a bum shoulder, how good will he be with a surgically repaired shoulder? Scary thought for the rest of the league.
However, as i said before, he needs to be alter his style a bit to be able to avoid big hits more often. I'm sure that will come with maturity and experience.

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Hall get's locked up long term while only adding $2.25M to our cap starting after the last season of his current 3.75M ELC runs out.

Sets the bar for the other young guns, and you can expect Eberle signs a nearly identical contract in the next few days. No one will get more than Hall's 6M/year.

The Oilers will have no difficulty keeping the big 4 together. Anyone claiming otherwise needs to look at the history of the cap (it only goes up). With big contracts like Smyth (6M), Horcoff (5.5M) and Hemsky (5M) all coming off the books as the kids get new extensions the situation looks ideal.

Not many if any left wings in the league better than Hall. Would probably be the best player on more than half the teams in this league if the shoe was on the other foot. Haters need to stop hating. 20 year old. Future captain. #CdnOlympicTeam2014

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Forwards making around the same amount of money:

Henrik Zetterberg 6,083,333
Patrick Elias 6,000,000
Micheal Cammalleri 6,000,000
Patrick Sharp 5,900,000

Obviously these arn't contracts coming out of ELC's, but just to give it some perspective

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It's going to be hard to sign Kane to a good deal now. Rumors are $29 over 6 years. Hall and Kane put up very similar numbers, are the same age(just a few months apart), and play the same position.

I think Kane can easily get $6 now.

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Hall get's locked up long term while only adding $2.25M to our cap starting after the last season of his current 3.75M ELC runs out.

Sets the bar for the other young guns, and you can expect Eberle signs a nearly identical contract in the next few days. No one will get more than Hall's 6M/year.

The Oilers will have no difficulty keeping the big 4 together. Anyone claiming otherwise needs to look at the history of the cap (it only goes up). With big contracts like Smyth (6M), Horcoff (5.5M) and Hemsky (5M) all coming off the books as the kids get new extensions the situation looks ideal.

Not many if any left wings in the league better than Hall. Would probably be the best player on more than half the teams in this league if the shoe was on the other foot. Haters need to stop hating. 20 year old. Future captain. #CdnOlympicTeam2014
Smyth's cap hit is 2.25M per season, for 2 years.

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I'd like to point out, in 2008 Corey Perry signed a 5yr $5.325M/yr contract after a 70GP, 29G, 25A, 54PT campaign. In 2012, that deal is an absolute steal for a Heart winning, 50 goal scorer who has consistently put up +30 goals a year. Sure it's a risk, but the payoff can be HUGE!
At the same age that Perry got paid after his 29 goal 54 point season, Michael Grabner scored 34 goals and 52 points. Should he have been given $5.325m?

Yes, it can pay off and it might for Hall but generally you get paid based on a combo of what you have done and what you are projected to do. This contract seems to be strictly on what he's projected to do. Even if he puts up a PPG average over the next 6 seasons this still wouldnt be a bargain.

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Way too much.

This makes the patches deal look even better.

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Lots of clueless fans from other teams ITT. He won't be getting 6 million next year, he will get it the year after. In a few years, 6 million will be a great price for Hall.

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At the same age that Perry got paid after his 29 goal 54 point season, Michael Grabner scored 34 goals and 52 points. Should he have been given $5.325m?

Yes, it can pay off and it might for Hall but generally you get paid based on a combo of what you have done and what you are projected to do. This contract seems to be strictly on what he's projected to do. Even if he puts up a PPG average over the next 6 seasons this still wouldnt be a bargain.


How many PPG wingers have 6M cap hits?

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For someone who has only averaged 63 games and 48 points in their first two seasons, this contract is too much.

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Lots of clueless fans from other teams ITT. He won't be getting 6 million next year, he will get it the year after. In a few years, 6 million will be a great price for Hall.
That's if he gets over his injuries.

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Smyth's cap hit is 2.25M per season, for 2 years.
Smyth's (6M) came off the books this year and is perfectly relevant to being able to afford the big 4.

The point is that we are losing salary (old players) as we add it with the younger players.

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It's going to be hard to sign Kane to a good deal now. Rumors are $29 over 6 years. Hall and Kane put up very similar numbers, are the same age(just a few months apart), and play the same position.

I think Kane can easily get $6 now.
Hall has first overall pedigree and has scored 30 less points playing one less season. Kane is probably looking at $5-5.5 million for a similar term.

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Hall has done nothing to deserve such a contract and this is further proof of what's wrong with the NHL.
Oy, i don't get posts like this.

Why was Tavares' deal considered an uber steal at the time yet he proves just as little as Hall when the contract was signed? Don't give me this stuff about Tavares being in a different stratosphere than Hall potentialwise because that's BS. Tavares might have more potential but it's not as big a spread as HF likes to think.

However, i do agree that there is a problem with paying long term for mostly potential but it irks me the double standard that is set on HF.

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That's if he gets over his injuries.
Well his shoulder is fixed for the first time in 4 years. I wouldn't count on him getting his ankle twisted in a fight or his face getting stepped on too often.

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Way too much.

This makes the patches deal look even better.
Patches deal was great, but this isn't bad at all for Hall.

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For someone who has only averaged 63 games and 48 points in their first two seasons, this contract is too much.
Depends on if you think that the occurrence of freak injuries in the past has predictive power for the future.

$6 million definitely isn't too much for someone who has put up 0.76 points per game in his first two season if he is giving up 2 UFA years in the contract.

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I can understand people saying it is too much. In a vacuum it can look that way. But once you factor in the fact that this guy is essentially the leader of the young Oilers and will likely be our next captain it becomes much more defensible. Plus, it does buy out 3 years of free agency. Most contract being compared to this one do not.

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Lots of clueless fans from other teams ITT. He won't be getting 6 million next year, he will get it the year after. In a few years, 6 million will be a great price for Hall.
Not unless he is riddled with injuries by that time then it will be terrible for the Oilers

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just give him the 2013 Hart Trophy already
You do realize that your Flyers gave JVR a 25m contract when he was coming off of only a 40 pt season right?

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At the same age that Perry got paid after his 29 goal 54 point season, Michael Grabner scored 34 goals and 52 points. Should he have been given $5.325m?

Yes, it can pay off and it might for Hall but generally you get paid based on a combo of what you have done and what you are projected to do. This contract seems to be strictly on what he's projected to do. Even if he puts up a PPG average over the next 6 seasons this still wouldnt be a bargain.
I have to comment on this again, because it's just too good.

Here's some PPG (+/- 5%) forwards from last year:

Spezza
Backstrom
Lupul
Neal
Kessel
Tavares
H. Sedin
Eberle
Toews
Elias
St. Louis
Datsyuk
Hossa

So, if Hall can't put together 6 consecutive seasons silimiar to those guys' 2011/2012 seasons he still won't be worth 6M a season?

Damn, you have some seriously high standards.

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You do realize that your Flyers gave JVR a 25m contract when he was coming off of only a 40 pt season right?
And the performance in the playoffs..

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While I agree he isn't really a six-million dollar player, that sounds about right if you want to buy out that many UFA years as well.

Don't think he gave much of a discount, though.

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So if Hall gets $6M for what he's done so far...
Then the other 3 are going to demand the same payday as well, or even more

So $6M X 4 players = $24M isn't outrageous, but becomes extremely top heavy

Timing is odd as well, the uncertainty of the new CBA accelerated pen to paper

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Oilers have Hall locked up for 7 more years...dollar amount really is irrelevant whether it's 4,5, or 6 per.

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