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[EDM] Taylor Hall signs seven year extension, $6m per

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08-22-2012, 03:46 PM
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In 7 years?
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Thing is though, he has played well enough to warrant it. He's been on pace for a 70+ point season last year.

Again, injuries are a concern. Hopefully he doesn't take another skate to the head or fights and lands awkwardly.
1) He's on his RFA years, I can't think of many 6 million 28-30 goal scoring wingers that young, even in UFA deals. I understand that alot of the cap raising was going to his UFA years, but a player his age isn't really a six million dollar player.

2) He hasn't scored 70 points yet. He definetly has the tools, but he hasn't stayed healthy enough to do that. All due respect, even though they are paying a premium for potential, they are also playing for a player to stay healthy, that has yet to do that in the NHL.

My issue is with many using this contract as "low risk". Has the potential to be very good, or overpaid and an injury concern.

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[QUOTE=BrawlFan;53779895]w.e. man my point is its an overpayment for Hall. I'd have given him a 3 year deal and then re-sign him if he delivers. The guy has done nothing but lead the team into 2 first overall picks. Can he deliver in the post-season? Unknown. Can he produce when the pressure is on in the regular season? Unknown. Can he stay healthy all year? Unknown.

So he's not getting paid for his current stats because a 53 pt player is not worth 6 million. He is getting paid for potential. Fair enough; but if you can sign him for 4 million for the next 3 years and IF he becomes what you feel he can be then ante up the 6 million. Whats wrong with that?






What you would have given him means nothing. It is what he would accept that matters. Anyone else that wants to post what they would have done think before you post. You can give anything you want but only if the player is willing to accept.
I will take his back to back Memorial cup MVP awards as a hint he will produce in the post season when we get there.
What is wrong with that is if he becomes what we feel he wont accept 6mil. Because the market will be much higher for him at that point.[/QUOTE]

Why wouldnt he accept? He is a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. His options are pretty limited if you ask me.

I wouldnt take his memorial cup points as evidence for anything in the NHL. Buuuuuuut w.e.

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Jeff Skinner ruined the second contract!

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I've said it many times before, I'm not a huge Hall fan (which is a subject for a different thread - very jealous of RNH and Eberle though) but I'm not sure I understand all those saying this is a bad contract. Both sides should be pretty happy. Let's not pretend that the 6m per is purely Hall's reward for his play in his first 2 seasons. You can probably make a convincing argument that it's an overpayment if you really want, but the value the organisation gets from this signing off ice makes it a great move. It sends a pretty clear signal to the other young Oiler stars, to the fans and to potential UFA's that the Oilers will try to court in the next few off seasons.

So, there is a small chance that Hall may not live up to this contract, but the benefits the Oil get from taking this "risk" make it worth every penny.

Again, I'm not even a huge Hall fan but you have to be pretty close minded to not see that this deal makes a ton of sense all around.
It's almost the norm. He's a key player for an organization that has a bright future. Not locking him up would be idiotic.

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Dont get me started Flames Fan (Actually I was pretty sure someone would jump in with that.)
Don't worry I am pretty sure the Flames will see you there in 7 years too

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Great signing! Now let's get Eberle locked down as well.

For those that whine about the money - it is no problem. The Oil has the room.

Back in the late 80s/early 90s, Brian Burke signed Stan Smyl to a contract for something crazy like 250k/season. Smyl was past his prime - mid 30s - and Burke said "We are not paying him for what he will do, we are paying him for what he did before". Now that is a dubious signing. I'll take hall 7 days a week over a 35 year old Stan Smyl.

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Jeff Skinner ruined the second contract!
Potentially did lol. The video on the oilers homepage is Hall saying once Skinner signed they used his contract as the jumping off point, even have the same agents.


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sure it does. So far, Hall has proved that he can be a 50-60 point guy that misses 20 games a year. I personally think he will get healthy and be a PPG player. BUT...I also have had Hemsky in a keeper pool and he has killed me!!! Great PPG but never healthy. I hope things are different for Hall.
But the original statement said "Fact," the term fact does not refer to events that have yet to happen

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[QUOTE=BrawlFan;53779895]w.e. man my point is its an overpayment for Hall. I'd have given him a 3 year deal and then re-sign him if he delivers. The guy has done nothing but lead the team into 2 first overall picks. Can he deliver in the post-season? Unknown. Can he produce when the pressure is on in the regular season? Unknown. Can he stay healthy all year? Unknown.

So he's not getting paid for his current stats because a 53 pt player is not worth 6 million. He is getting paid for potential. Fair enough; but if you can sign him for 4 million for the next 3 years and IF he becomes what you feel he can be then ante up the 6 million. Whats wrong with that?



What you would have given him means nothing. It is what he would accept that matters. Anyone else that wants to post what they would have done think before you post. You can give anything you want but only if the player is willing to accept.
I will take his back to back Memorial cup MVP awards as a hint he will produce in the post season when we get there.
What is wrong with that is if he becomes what we feel he wont accept 6mil. Because the market will be much higher for him at that point.[/QUOTE]

He is not worth the 6 million dollars as people have said. All teams do not have to pay him till he becomes a Free Agent he has no leverage even if he was getting 110 points a season the team does not have to pay him what he asked for but they should pay him what he is worth and what he has EARNED which is not that much.

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$6m a year seems high for now, but then you're buying potential there. The only thing i'd say is that $6m is only going to be a steal if he's Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos/Giroux good, and I can't really see him getting to that point.

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sorry but that's overpayment and highly paying on his potential. I don't understand this contract at all

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People are allowed to have different opinions.
Comments such as "anything over $4M is an overpayment", "extreme overpayment by an incompetent GM", "Hall has done nothing to deserve this contract", "lolz the Oilers will always be a last place team overpaying players like Hall" etc. is bordering on ridiculousness with the sole purpose of trying to incite a reaction.

If an opinion is not grounded or based in reality, don't blame people for calling attention to them.

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For Eberle or RNH I wouldn't mind this kind of money, but I don't see Hall's potential quite at that level.

which is absolutely ridiculous because Hall is more of a difference maker in terms of the oilers winning and losing than those two are. He's a different player and it's quite likely that RNH will top Hall in points consistently but Hall is the leader of the bunch and he brings more to the table than just points and there is no way the other two are worth more than he is at this point. Only concern with Hall is whether he's going to stay healthy, but if he does he's every bit as valuable and quite likely more than anyone else on the oilers.

Don't judge Taylor Hall solely by the numbers he puts up compared to his team mates, watch the team with him and without him and you'll notice a huge difference in the way they play.

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Hall will prove his worth next season. Book it.

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Why wouldnt he accept? He is a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. His options are pretty limited if you ask me.

I wouldnt take his memorial cup points as evidence for anything in the NHL. Buuuuuuut w.e.[/QUOTE]


As were Skinner, Doughty etc etc. But strangely they got big second contracts also. The leverage all good players have is this. "If you dont keep me happy I will leave the second I am a ufa". It is the unspoken hammer the player always has.
I didnt comment on his points. It was the fact he was the best player in the tourney 2 years in a row. He was dominant when it counted. I think any intelligent person can see how that would count for something.

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I thought the Pacioretty signing set a great precedent for the Kane negotiations and now the Oilers have gone and ****ed it all up

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So, does Eberle get the same deal? Hall is the better player now and in the future, but not by much. I think Hall and Eberle are the two key youngsters on that team.

That said, if the Oilers don't pay Eberle 6m x 7y, some other team will if he gets anywhere near UFA.

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I don't know why this thread turned into a freakin' grammar discussion, but it stops now or you'll be gone.

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It makes sense for the Oilers, Hall's injuries have to be a concern however with his talent if he stays healthy for a contract year there's a good chance he bumps that price way up. I imagine there will be a year or two of that deal where injuries derail it for him, but ultimately it's a good deal for both sides.

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So, does Eberle get the same deal? Hall is the better player now and in the future, but not by much. I think Hall and Eberle are the two key youngsters on that team.

That said, if the Oilers don't pay Eberle 6m x 7y, some other team will if he gets anywhere near UFA.
I'm pretty sure he will get an identical deal.

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I thought the Pacioretty signing set a great precedent for the Kane negotiations and now the Oilers have gone and ****ed it all up
Talk to Rutherford with the Skinner deal bud

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Very Pricey.

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Comments such as "anything over $4M is an overpayment", "extreme overpayment by an incompetent GM", "Hall has done nothing to deserve this contract", "lolz the Oilers will always be a last place team overpaying players like Hall" etc. is bordering on ridiculousness with the sole purpose of trying to incite a reaction.

If an opinion is not grounded or based in reality, don't blame people for calling attention to them.
I believe that can be said. He hasn't really done anything to deserve that big of a deal, seems more like a paying him for potential & what he could be doing if he wasn't injured.

How do you judge if an opinion is grounded or not?

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Holy wow. That is a pricey deal. I dunno how they keep these forwards in the future.

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