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Eberle gets the same as Hall (Eberle signs 6 year $36M deal)

View Poll Results: Eberle will get...
More than Hall 20 8.85%
Less than Hall 38 16.81%
The same as Hall 168 74.34%
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08-24-2012, 08:50 AM
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He'll get the same, and he should. They aren't the same type of player.

Physical: Hall
Hockey Sense: Eberle
Hands: Eberle
Speed: Hall
Intangibles: Both, Hall's leadership, Eberle's clutch scoring.

As Forrest Gump would say, they go together like peas and carrots...
9 GWG in 2 seasons (52 total goals).

Hall has 11 GWG in 2 seasons (49 total goals).

Wouldn't that make Hall more clutch?

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9 GWG in 2 seasons (52 total goals).

Hall has 11 GWG in 2 seasons (49 total goals).

Wouldn't that make Hall more clutch?
Hall will be out scoring Eberle in short order . Having said that i think Eberle being the smarter player will have a longer career in the NHL . I glad we have both . They both have been clutch in JR . Eberle with team Canada . Hall with back to back MVP honours . Then we also have the RNH and Yak , we will be able to put the puck in the net . In the near future their won't be many teams that want to play a fast open game against us .
Pay them all the same let them become BF and grow as a team . Hall will lead us just as Messier did . You can see it in the kid ,he hates to lose . Seeing him get so mad over an empty net goal being score on us tells alot about his drive .

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9 GWG in 2 seasons (52 total goals).

Hall has 11 GWG in 2 seasons (49 total goals).

Wouldn't that make Hall more clutch?
They're both clutch, but if the games on the line, and a guy has the puck in front of the net or on a breakaway, I'm taking Eberle to do the deed 8 out of 10 times. Just my opinion.

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9 GWG in 2 seasons (52 total goals).

Hall has 11 GWG in 2 seasons (49 total goals).

Wouldn't that make Hall more clutch?
I was thinking more of the WJHC goals...not trying to discredit Hall. GWG are misleading.

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I was thinking more of the WJHC goals...not trying to discredit Hall. GWG are misleading.
Well if you want to put it that way. All stats are misleading.

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They're both clutch, but if the games on the line, and a guy has the puck in front of the net or on a breakaway, I'm taking Eberle to do the deed 8 out of 10 times. Just my opinion.
Hall sucks on breakaways, I'd take Eberle 10/10 times on breakaways. Hall really needs to work on that part of his game, with his speed it's not like he doesn't find himself in on goal with at least a step on everyone else a bunch of times a year.

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Hall sucks on breakaways, I'd take Eberle 10/10 times on breakaways. Hall really needs to work on that part of his game, with his speed it's not like he doesn't find himself in on goal with at least a step on everyone else a bunch of times a year.
He's probably going too fast to do what his mind wants to do.

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He's probably going too fast to do what his mind wants to do.
He does the same weak move every time. He just needs to walk in, do a little fake, and pick a spot to shoot. He doesn't have Eberle's hands.

As for the clutch part, I'd rather put out... Both... With Nuge feeding them

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The baseline has been set.

Nobody is getting more than Hall.

This tells us a couple things.

We will NOT be big players in the ufa market during the duration of Hall's contract.

We will continue to grow internally/organically from within.

Be prepared to be a lottery team for a couple more seasons.

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08-25-2012, 11:11 AM
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The baseline has been set.

Nobody is getting more than Hall.

This tells us a couple things.

We will NOT be big players in the ufa market during the duration of Hall's contract.

We will continue to grow internally/organically from within.

Be prepared to be a lottery team for a couple more seasons.
This is what I expected even before the Hall deal was handed out.

The Tambo staff won't let any albatross FA contract get in the way of the drafted and developed Oilers, especially the big 4.

I'm fine with that, to be honest.

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The safest move would be to do a deal same as Hall if it is being offered. At the end of the day, even if they offer him a couple 100k less, is it worth waiting on a new CBA vs. signing a long term contract with security? I say he signs very close to Hall's but not more. Perhaps equal.

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The baseline has been set.

Nobody is getting more than Hall.

This tells us a couple things.

We will NOT be big players in the ufa market during the duration of Hall's contract.

We will continue to grow internally/organically from within.

Be prepared to be a lottery team for a couple more seasons.
uhh, you want to defend that conclusion before jumping to other consequences?

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uhh, you want to defend that conclusion before jumping to other consequences?
Teams will more than likely pay their most important player the most.

To me, it's pretty obvious that player is Hall.

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Teams will more than likely pay their most important player the most.

To me, it's pretty obvious that player is Hall.
I could easily see RNH making more, or even Nail Yakupov after 3 years. It's well in the realm of possibility.

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I could easily see RNH making more, or even Nail Yakupov after 3 years. It's well in the realm of possibility.
Maybe eventually as the cap goes up(if it does) and you get a situation similar to Kopitar and Doughty.

But, I'd say it's safe to assume they've set a pretty firm benchmark with the Hall signing.

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Maybe eventually as the cap goes up(if it does) and you get a situation similar to Kopitar and Doughty.

But, I'd say it's safe to assume they've set a pretty firm benchmark with the Hall signing.
this is what i was thinking...esp if yak proves to be the most talented (read: scores more). but given he plays the same position and is directly comparable to the others unlike doughty, then he would have to actually do that to get more.

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I am hoping we sign Eberle to 6 mill per year for longer than Hall, but I am not expecting it. I hope we can get RNH and Eberle locked up to the exact same amount as Hall, it just seems like it would be the easiest and create less problems going forward. As of now its arguable who is our most important and there could be three different answers depending on who you ask, so why choose one to be worth more than the others.

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The baseline has been set.

Nobody is getting more than Hall.

This tells us a couple things.

We will NOT be big players in the ufa market during the duration of Hall's contract.

We will continue to grow internally/organically from within.

Be prepared to be a lottery team for a couple more seasons.

Why?

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Why?
I thought I was pretty plain.

Maybe not two, but one more season, most likely yes.

If there is a season.

Justin Schultz and Nail Yakupov are not going to be the difference between a 29th place team and a playoff contender in their rookie seasons.

Those are pretty much the only two differences between this year's team and last year's team.

Maybe you would care to explain why anyone should expect something different than a lottery finish?

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uhh, you want to defend that conclusion before jumping to other consequences?
I dont need to defend it.

It is fairly obvious.

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they are both clutch. for a game 7, i take Hall first, but if I'm down a goal with one minute to play in the 3rd period, I'm taking Ebs first.

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I don't see why Hall would set the bar salary-wise. He's not even our best player. Again, it's like if the Kings made Dustin Brown more money than anyone else.

He's their leader, their heart-and-soul, and a very good hockey player.
But he's simply not as good as Kopitar and Doughty.

RNH and Eberle are going to get more by virtue of being better players. If it was that easy why do you think it's taking so long to get Eberle signed?

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I thought I was pretty plain.

Maybe not two, but one more season, most likely yes.

If there is a season.

Justin Schultz and Nail Yakupov are not going to be the difference between a 29th place team and a playoff contender in their rookie seasons.

Those are pretty much the only two differences between this year's team and last year's team.

Maybe you would care to explain why anyone should expect something different than a lottery finish?
What about the further development of Hall, Ebs and RNH making the Oilers much better than they were last year. Add in Yak and Schultz and I personally think they will be vastly improved

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I don't see why Hall would set the bar salary-wise. He's not even our best player. Again, it's like if the Kings made Dustin Brown more money than anyone else.

He's their leader, their heart-and-soul, and a very good hockey player.
But he's simply not as good as Kopitar and Doughty.

RNH and Eberle are going to get more by virtue of being better players. If it was that easy why do you think it's taking so long to get Eberle signed?
Has it even been more than a week since the first rumors of contracts talk happened?

Also, Eberle's agent is Don Meehan. I'm pretty sure most Oilers fans know how negotiations go with him and his clients.

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Has it even been more than a week since the first rumors of contracts talk happened?

Also, Eberle's agent is Don Meehan. I'm pretty sure most Oilers fans know how negotiations go with him and his clients.
Yeah we know about Meehan. He fights tooth-and-ear to make sure his clients get compensated fairly. He's not going to buy BS like "Hall's contract is the ceiling".

He's also Doughty's agent, and ensured that a top-5 defenseman got paid more than a top-10 centerman on that team.

Just like how he's going to ensure a proven 30-goal, 75-point All-Star is going to get paid more than a guy who has none of those accolades, nor has even hit 60 points in his NHL career.


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