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10-14-2012, 11:39 AM
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which goes on further making you think what's the incentive to actually find a cure? a cure would stop the pumping of all those money into researches. I know it sounds cynical, but money is money.
A PR disaster and a moral conscience?

If you're siphoning billions of money from cancer research and someone blows the whistle on it, and it gets national media attention, you've got a massive PR disaster.

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10-16-2012, 10:10 AM
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And now apparently, Nike is involved. They have reportedly paid half a million dollars to UCI's president to cover up for Amrstrong's positive test (NY Daily News) in 99 where UCI accepted a paper from the doc AFTER the positive test (which is against UCI laws).

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10-17-2012, 07:28 AM
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So Lance Armstrong is out at Livestrong and Nike dumped him. Reality strikes
I'd be a lot more tolerant towards Lance if he just came clean and admitted he cheated instead of playing make-believe.

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A PR disaster and a moral conscience?

If you're siphoning billions of money from cancer research and someone blows the whistle on it, and it gets national media attention, you've got a massive PR disaster.
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And now apparently, Nike is involved. They have reportedly paid half a million dollars to UCI's president to cover up for Amrstrong's positive test (NY Daily News) in 99 where UCI accepted a paper from the doc AFTER the positive test (which is against UCI laws).
If true, I am going to laugh so hard. I hate Nike.

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which goes on further making you think what's the incentive to actually find a cure? a cure would stop the pumping of all those money into researches. I know it sounds cynical, but money is money.
Yeah, i tend to agree with you. Cancer(especially breast) is a money magnet.

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Lance Armstrong steps down as chairman of Livestrong to help limit damage from doping scandal

+ Lance Armstrong has had his contract with sportswear giant Nike terminated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19978608

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Looks like Nike gave him an ultimatum. Step down or were dropping the Livestrong brand entirely. Good for Nike for doing the right thing.

Next in line: Trek and Oakley.

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10-17-2012, 01:59 PM
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Looks like Nike gave him an ultimatum. Step down or were dropping the Livestrong brand entirely. Good for Nike for doing the right thing.

Next in line: Trek and Oakley.
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And now apparently, Nike is involved. They have reportedly paid half a million dollars to UCI's president to cover up for Amrstrong's positive test (NY Daily News) in 99 where UCI accepted a paper from the doc AFTER the positive test (which is against UCI laws).

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10-18-2012, 05:56 AM
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Former UCI president denied any money he received to cover Armstrong's tests.
His defense? "There's no proof" and "Armstrong never tested positive anyway".

Wow, like we never heard that one before.

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10-18-2012, 06:17 AM
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UCI needs a complete reset... If this doesn't make it happen, it'll never be done

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10-18-2012, 08:23 AM
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Armstrong is going to get all the attention because he's the biggest name in cycling (especially on this side of the pond), but Verbruggen and McQuaid are the real problem, not any particular riders or even teams doping. The two of them have done more damage to the sport than Armstrong ever could.

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10-18-2012, 09:17 AM
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Somebody on Cyclingnews made the following "doping flowchart" of links between people:



Riders are in blue, managers are in red, and doctors are in green.

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10-18-2012, 11:29 AM
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Armstrong is going to get all the attention because he's the biggest name in cycling (especially on this side of the pond), but Verbruggen and McQuaid are the real problem, not any particular riders or even teams doping. The two of them have done more damage to the sport than Armstrong ever could.
You're absolutely right that Pat and Hein are where the problem starts. A fish rots from the head down. But many of the national sporting agencies aren't much better. Dr Ashenden does an excellent job of calling out Australia (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/...015-27mzr.html) but they are far from alone. Spain is notorious for looking the other way. And USA Cycling seemed to back Armstrong in his current fight with USADA. The filth in the sport is unbelievable.

But I also want to add, cycling is no worse than many other sports. It just gets more publicity because fewer people in cycling have their head in the sand about athletes doping.

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10-21-2012, 07:43 AM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.1188512

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Doping might sometimes be a victimless crime, but not in the case of Lance Armstrong, whose drug abuse and illicit blood transfusions created a phony empire of wealth, adulation and power that had to be protected at all costs.

The Armstrong myth was so lucrative that suppressing the truth came to require an endless behind-the-scenes campaign to bully and intimidate people into silence. Some of it bordered on gangsterism. Some of it was dressed up in the respectable wardrobe of elite law firms. But mostly it was just hot air - a fact that by 2010 had become clear enough to Floyd Landis that he stepped up and burst the bubble, blowing the whistle on the whole big fraud.

In 2008, when the Daily News started reporting in earnest on the growing evidence that Armstrong had cheated, we found that paranoia struck deep in the cycling world. It’s a small industry, and Armstrong was a transcendent figure, so powerful inside his sport that people feared for their livelihoods and reputations if they crossed him.

Four years later, it’s easier for the wider world to see why. The evidence published this month by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency shows that Armstrong and his cronies possessed a cynical assuredness that their yellow wristbands entitled them to smash anyone who threatened their corrupt regime.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...#ixzz29w9Zh0RA

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10-21-2012, 12:24 PM
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That's a pretty good analysis of some of what went on. As I have said earlier, all of that information (and more) has been in the public domain for a long time. The fact that it was ignored and covered up by most all of the media is just slightly less disgusting than the way LA treated his enemies.

One can only hope the man spends many years and his last dollars defending lawsuits of all those he negatively impacted. He is a real *******.

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10-22-2012, 07:19 AM
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UCI strips Lance of all his titles. He's never won a Tour De France before.

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10-22-2012, 07:22 AM
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McQuaid doesn't resign... cycling still ****ed up

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This hasn't ended though... hoping Armstrong talks, takes down UCI

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10-22-2012, 08:16 AM
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McQuaid doesn't resign... cycling still ****ed up
Fat Pat's job is to defend Uncle Rupert's Team SKY the same way Hein was USPS/Armstrong's personal bodyguard. Throwing Armstrong under the bus allows McQuaid to provide some cover for the heat on Wiggins, Froome, and company for their obvious doping links.

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10-22-2012, 10:40 AM
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This hasn't ended though... hoping Armstrong talks, takes down UCI

For anyone that cares, here is 202 page "Reasoned Decision" from the USDA.
Source: USDA

I haven't read it yet.

As well, Tour de Suisse samples and donations by Lance Armstrong to UCI
Source: UCI

EDIT: More information available on both sites.

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A someone who has just recently started to follow this, I wouldn't at all be surprised if his ex wife, Kristin Armstrong, is in some way implicated in all of this.

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Last month, Armstrong’s ex-wife Kristin, was deposed by LeMond’s legal team in order to answer questions. She gave a sworn, videotaped deposition during which she repeatedly refused to answer questions pertaining to alleged drug use by Armstrong.
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"I know what truth is. I know my past. Not telling or selling my tales to the press is my choice - one that I made primarily for my children," she said.

"And there are many things that I am not free to discuss because I am constrained by legal principles like marital privilege, confidentiality and non-disclosure agreements.


As part of the divorce settlement


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Courtesy of ******.

Ullrich has more TDF victories than Armstrong now. All those prognostications at the start of the rivalry finally come true

On a more serious note, it is weird to see Riis, Pantani and Ullrich's names up there while all Lance's records are wiped out. Still better than awarding those titles to the likes of Ullrich, Beloki, Kloden, Basso etc

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^^^

There isn't one clean rider on that list from Indurain onwards. The only guys who I could buy being "relatively clean" compared to the rest of their eras are Sastre, Evans, and maybe Pereiro. And again, that's only in a relative sense, I'm sure all of them at least microdoped at some point.

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There isn't one clean rider on that list from Indurain onwards. The only guys who I could buy being "relatively clean" compared to the rest of their eras are Sastre, Evans, and maybe Pereiro. And again, that's only in a relative sense, I'm sure all of them at least microdoped at some point.
Oh I agree. Just disconcerting to see Lance's contemporaries like Riis(admitted doper), Ullrich(banned for doping) and Pantani (drugs/doping basically cost him his life) get to keep their titles.

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Yeah, I'd considere "clean" Sastre and Evans.

The others though...

Its mind-boggling how Riis has his tour after all he has said

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Armstrong now has more testicles (one for those who are unaware of his testicular cancer treatment) than TdF wins. It also means he and I are tied for TdF wins.

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