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As a Jets fan I have serious concerns about Kane here long term as well as how he fits in the locker room. That's my opinion although it is molded from reliable sources. That being said the trade I think would be best would be:
To Anaheim:
Kane
To Winnipeg:
Ryan
Kane ends up on the West Coast close to LA and Ryan ends up in a true hockey market that will treat him right. He will fit in nicely with some of our other US born players.
i agree tht trade is pretty bad for u guys, but i read your post evaluating the other trades and you are overvaluing kane. he is a great young player, but keep in mind his best point total is 57 points. he is not a centre or dman, which is usually a premium. also he is an rfa. this is very important because that does seriously impact his trade value.
if you deal with canucks
Booth - kane replacement and has put up 30 goals in a season
Jensen/Kassian - prospect power forwards who could turn out to be just as good in the long run
Ballard/Tanev - want a LH to play with Bogosian, Ballard could be a good fit or take young upcoming shutdown dman in Tanev
2nd - sweeten the deal
This deal would give a replacement for Kane, prospect power forward with a good upside, dman, and pick
Kane is nice player but if he does indeed want a trade and will not sign pretty decent deal that shores up some needs.
I don't see Kane coming cheap. There aren't a lot of players like him and there never have been. Brayden Schenn, who was picked just after Kane, sucks donkey balls in comparison and fetched Mike friggin Richards as a return. It would have to be something exorbitant coming back and something the jets don't have. I'm thinking someone like Matt Duchene plus or Jamie Benn 1 for 1. In other words, it would have to be a piece nobody wants to part with, but, for whatever reason, decides to because they feel they need Kane more.
As a Jets fan I have serious concerns about Kane here long term as well as how he fits in the locker room. That's my opinion although it is molded from reliable sources. That being said the trade I think would be best would be:
To Anaheim:
Kane
To Winnipeg:
Ryan
Kane ends up on the West Coast close to LA and Ryan ends up in a true hockey market that will treat him right. He will fit in nicely with some of our other US born players.
That's reasonably even. Think Anaheim would have to add to account for their difference in ages, though.
i agree tht trade is pretty bad for u guys, but i read your post evaluating the other trades and you are overvaluing kane. he is a great young player, but keep in mind his best point total is 57 points. he is not a centre or dman, which is usually a premium. also he is an rfa. this is very important because that does seriously impact his trade value.
if you deal with canucks
Booth - kane replacement and has put up 30 goals in a season
Jensen/Kassian - prospect power forwards who could turn out to be just as good in the long run
Ballard/Tanev - want a LH to play with Bogosian, Ballard could be a good fit or take young upcoming shutdown dman in Tanev
2nd - sweeten the deal
This deal would give a replacement for Kane, prospect power forward with a good upside, dman, and pick
Kane is nice player but if he does indeed want a trade and will not sign pretty decent deal that shores up some needs.
That's about the most I would pay too, I think. Preferably Jensen to Kassian, as we can't really trade him without seeing what he can do after the flack he got for replacing Hodgson.
That's about the most I would pay too, I think. Preferably Jensen to Kassian, as we can't really trade him without seeing what he can do after the flack he got for replacing Hodgson.
Ya I would rather trade Jensen too, but Kane is a good player and Im willing to do either. Keep in mind Hodgson is a good young centre who I really liked when he played for the Canucks, but in reality he is damaged goods. He has had major back issues at a young age. Back is one of the worst places to get injuries, because it almost never heals properly and is vulnerable in the future. If we still had Hodgson I would have gladly replaced Jensen/Kassian for him in this trade proposal.
I don't see Kane coming cheap. There aren't a lot of players like him and there never have been. Brayden Schenn, who was picked just after Kane, sucks donkey balls in comparison and fetched Mike friggin Richards as a return. It would have to be something exorbitant coming back and something the jets don't have. I'm thinking someone like Matt Duchene plus or Jamie Benn 1 for 1. In other words, it would have to be a piece nobody wants to part with, but, for whatever reason, decides to because they feel they need Kane more.
No. Duchene is on a discount right now and he loves the Avs and wants to prove himself. Kane is looking for a big contract and we are reportedly not even wanting to give O"Reilly a 5 year contract.
I understand that it would take a overpayment like you said but for these reasons I don't see it at all.
i agree tht trade is pretty bad for u guys, but i read your post evaluating the other trades and you are overvaluing kane. he is a great young player, but keep in mind his best point total is 57 points. he is not a centre or dman, which is usually a premium. also he is an rfa. this is very important because that does seriously impact his trade value.
if you deal with canucks
Booth - kane replacement and has put up 30 goals in a season
Jensen/Kassian - prospect power forwards who could turn out to be just as good in the long run
Ballard/Tanev - want a LH to play with Bogosian, Ballard could be a good fit or take young upcoming shutdown dman in Tanev
2nd - sweeten the deal
This deal would give a replacement for Kane, prospect power forward with a good upside, dman, and pick
Kane is nice player but if he does indeed want a trade and will not sign pretty decent deal that shores up some needs.
Booth maybe puts up 30 on his best year. Kane will do that constant basis in the upcoming years.
Kassian is a 3rd line PWF not much more, same as Jensen.
Ballard is a cap dump and I dont know id hed crack WPG's line up.
I believe itd be
Kane for Kesler + schroeder and kassian
Why?
Kesler is good but injury plagued and we cant over value on good year. Schroeder is a decent prospect but a third lien center at best. Kassian sweetens the pot
Paavarji- similar style, will (hopefully) give you consistant 55-60 point seasons
Hemsky- Coming back from surgery, will give you 2-3 65 point seasons
I might get blasted but lets be realistic, Kane will give you around 65-70 points per season. If Paavarji bounces back and regains form WPG wins the deal by a landslide. If he turns out to be a 40-50 pt guy you still have a solid player like Hemsky
Paavarji- similar style, will (hopefully) give you consistant 55-60 point seasons
Hemsky- Coming back from surgery, will give you 2-3 65 point seasons
I might get blasted but lets be realistic, Kane will give you around 65-70 points per season. If Paavarji bounces back and regains form WPG wins the deal by a landslide. If he turns out to be a 40-50 pt guy you still have a solid player like Hemsky
Seriously terrible for Winnipeg and even Oiler fans would say that. Heck, previous proposals from Oiler fans were much better than that and weren't even accepted.
i agree tht trade is pretty bad for u guys, but i read your post evaluating the other trades and you are overvaluing kane. he is a great young player, but keep in mind his best point total is 57 points. he is not a centre or dman, which is usually a premium. also he is an rfa. this is very important because that does seriously impact his trade value.
if you deal with canucks
Booth - kane replacement and has put up 30 goals in a season
Jensen/Kassian - prospect power forwards who could turn out to be just as good in the long run
Ballard/Tanev - want a LH to play with Bogosian, Ballard could be a good fit or take young upcoming shutdown dman in Tanev
2nd - sweeten the deal
This deal would give a replacement for Kane, prospect power forward with a good upside, dman, and pick
Kane is nice player but if he does indeed want a trade and will not sign pretty decent deal that shores up some needs.
Post concussion booth is in no way a replacement for Kane. This is alot of average quantity for a high quality player.
Many teams would beat that offer of cast offs and unproven assets.
Totally understand your point, and hope the offer wasn't insulting, but I did say it was under the premise the OP laid out, that Kane hasn't signed because he wants out (Not that I believe that to be true).
If I were to turn the tables and pretend Hall were the guy wanting out and the Jets offered Buff, Scheiffele and 13, 14 1sts I wouldn't be happy, but it wouldn't be horrible value wise.
IMO Buff + Scheifele is worth a lot more than Hemsky + Klefbom. No worries though, I don't get insulted by random people on the internet and yours was still far FAR from the worst proposal here. I can't stress the "far" enough.
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Originally Posted by Playmaker09
Would that really cut it?
Cause a package of Bourque, Emelin, Leblanc and a 1st is exactly that, and it's a deal I'd easily say yes to. Keep Leblanc out, add Plekanec and Hainsey (not quite sure what his value to you is though) and I'd still do it.
That's not bad actually. While a little more of a quantity over quality deal its at least not something where I'd feel like the Jets got screwed. Bourque is a downgrade from Kane for sure but he's at least locked up for 4 more years at a very reasonable cap hit, I'm a big fan of Emelin, Leblanc still has potential and the 1st might be in the 10-15 range. Otherwise, taking Leblanc out and getting Plekanec for 4 years for one year of Hainsey is also pretty good.
i agree tht trade is pretty bad for u guys, but i read your post evaluating the other trades and you are overvaluing kane. he is a great young player, but keep in mind his best point total is 57 points. he is not a centre or dman, which is usually a premium. also he is an rfa. this is very important because that does seriously impact his trade value.
if you deal with canucks
Booth - kane replacement and has put up 30 goals in a season
Jensen/Kassian - prospect power forwards who could turn out to be just as good in the long run
Ballard/Tanev - want a LH to play with Bogosian, Ballard could be a good fit or take young upcoming shutdown dman in Tanev
2nd - sweeten the deal
This deal would give a replacement for Kane, prospect power forward with a good upside, dman, and pick
Kane is nice player but if he does indeed want a trade and will not sign pretty decent deal that shores up some needs.
An RFA means he is under team control and he has no leverage other than holding out so I disagree and his best point total is 57 AT 20 YEARS OLD he was 1 of only 6 players under 25 to score 30 goals this season, he was the youngest other than Tavares the other 4 were a minimum 2 years older and he played with Wellwood and Burmistrov (who should still be in the OHL) you are seriously undervaluing him
Booth has pretty major concussion concerns and he is no longer the player he was in Florida
I like Kassian
Tanev is not what we need even though I like him and Ballard's play has dropped off a cliff
And if he really wants out I'm sure the Jets front office is smart enough not announce it to the world like Scott Howson
Seriously terrible for Winnipeg and even Oiler fans would say that. Heck, previous proposals from Oiler fans were much better than that and weren't even accepted.
Listen I know Kane is a polarizing name because of his high draft position, but lets be real and bring the trade down to basics. Points. The more points a player is able to get the more likely the team wins the game
So..
lets say Paavarji gets 55, Hemsky get 65, and Kane gets 75
Wpg gets a bump from the extra 35 points and extra player. Anywho how does anyone know what oilers will offer, the best we can do is look at the Nash trade and gauge from that.
Nash is a similar but better player then Kane so wont get as good of return ( I still love kane tho)
Nash got Anisimov (career high 44), Dubinsky (career high 54) and a decent prospect
So Kane fetches a good pwf prospect and hemsky (career high 77)
Listen I know Kane is a polarizing name because of his high draft position, but lets be real and bring the trade down to basics. Points. The more points a player is able to get the more likely the team wins the game
So..
lets say Paavarji gets 55, Hemsky get 65, and Kane gets 75
Wpg gets a bump from the extra 35 points and extra player. Anywho how does anyone know what oilers will offer, the best we can do is look at the Nash trade and gauge from that.
Nash is a similar but better player then Kane so wont get as good of return ( I still love kane tho)
Nash got Anisimov (career high 44), Dubinsky (career high 54) and a decent prospect
So Kane fetches a good pwf prospect and hemsky (career high 77)
Nash is 28 and had a NTC. Howson was stupid and announced that he wanted out, thus limiting the return.
Nash is 28 and had a NTC. Howson was stupid and announced that he wanted out, thus limiting the return.
maybe hemsky and PVJ is low balling but im an Oiler homer. Id love to see Kane stay in the 'peg though. Anybody that one punches cooke is a beauty in my books
Listen I know Kane is a polarizing name because of his high draft position, but lets be real and bring the trade down to basics. Points. The more points a player is able to get the more likely the team wins the game
So..
lets say Paavarji gets 55, Hemsky get 65, and Kane gets 75
Wpg gets a bump from the extra 35 points and extra player. Anywho how does anyone know what oilers will offer, the best we can do is look at the Nash trade and gauge from that.
Nash is a similar but better player then Kane so wont get as good of return ( I still love kane tho)
Nash got Anisimov (career high 44), Dubinsky (career high 54) and a decent prospect
So Kane fetches a good pwf prospect and hemsky (career high 77)
You are putting a lot of weight that MPS is going to turn out (maybe, maybe not) and that Hemsky is going to stay healthy.
The Nash trade is also not a great comparable because Nash carried a NTC, had a huge salary, and didn't give the Jackets much options.
I don't see any way someone can rationalize trading Kane for a prospect who while still hold potential, hasn't shown all that much in the NHL yet, and a injury plagued player signed for 2 more years.
Roof Daddy's proposal (an Oiler fan), had Hemsky, Klefbom (who pretty much everyone would probably want over MPS), and 2 1st round picks. And while it wasn't bad, it wasn't loved because I don't think anyone wants to see their 20 year old budding star traded and one of the pieces returned being a 29 year old off injured player on a 2 year contract.
Take his proposal and replace Hemsky with his equivalent value in Oiler prospects and it might get some traction.
Booth maybe puts up 30 on his best year. Kane will do that constant basis in the upcoming years.
Kassian is a 3rd line PWF not much more, same as Jensen.
Ballard is a cap dump and I dont know id hed crack WPG's line up.
I believe itd be
Kane for Kesler + schroeder and kassian
Why?
Kesler is good but injury plagued and we cant over value on good year. Schroeder is a decent prospect but a third lien center at best. Kassian sweetens the pot
that is ridiculous lol. everything said here is garbage
See what I did there?
