Patrick Kane by a little bit, but enough to notice. Spezza is too inconsistent and injury prone. Plus, Kane is 5 years younger and just about as good IMO. Kane has been better 2 out of the last 3 years. But whoever was better the last year should win the poll because this is HF.
There was a Patrick Kane to Ottawa thread and the word value was thrown around a lot. Some said Spezza had more value, Chicago fans laughed and said Kane was more valuable because he had a cup ring while never outscoring Spezza...
So, I guess we settle it here and keep the debate going.
This is extremely misleading and biased. You said this:
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Chicago would have to add quite a bit to get either Spezza OR Karlsson
You implied that Spezza easily had more value than Kane does and realistically if you made this thread any time over the past 2 years, Kane wins probably 100 to 5. Luckily for you, people can't remember that Spezza is only good for 57 points or so a season because of his injuries and decline in play. A lot went right for the Sens this year but I can promise Kane will outscore Spezza again and will win a poll at the same time next year.
The only difference between Kane and Spezza again this year was that Spezza was on a team with a better PP. Plus I'd like to see Spezza facing supreme defensive teams like St Louis, Detroit, Nashville, ect like Kane does.
Yeah, Spezza may be able to stat pad in the Eastern Conference, but if we switched roles Kane would be getting about 90 points and Spezza about 70 points IMO. And plus the fact that Kane is 5 years younger with better potential, while Spezza is injury prone and older...it should be a no brainer. We'll revisit this poll in a year and my guess is that 90% of people will change their vote(because that is how HF works).
Last edited by RomersWorld: 08-25-2012 at 12:29 AM.
You implied that Spezza easily had more value than Kane does and realistically if you made this thread any time over the past 2 years, Kane wins probably 100 to 5. Luckily for you, people can't remember that Spezza is only good for 57 points or so a season because of his injuries and decline in play. A lot went right for the Sens this year but I can promise Kane will outscore Spezza again and will win a poll at the same time next year.
That's only because you guys overrate Kane, my dear friend. Quite frankly, the poll is starting to show differently to what you're thinking. We'll do it next year again, if you like.
Edit: Also, not really biased, just started this poll/thread since the Mod who closed it mentioned if we wanna make a poll about this we should. It just shows my confidence towards Spezza>Kane's value.
That's only because you guys overrate Kane, my dear friend. Quite frankly, the poll is starting to show differently to what you're thinking. We'll do it next year again, if you like.
Edit: Also, not really biased, just started this poll/thread since the Mod who closed it mentioned if we wanna make a poll about this we should. It just shows my confidence towards Spezza>Kane's value.
Ok, if you really think this poll proves anything other than more Sens fans are here... then you're lying to yourself.
As of right now, 2 Hawks fans have voted in this poll and voted Patrick Kane(Sevanston, RomersWorld).
These Sens fans voted for Jason Spezza(OmniSens, SpezDispenser, danishh, AlfieDavidThoreau, Aznguy, BigZKingK, Canadiens Ghost, EastCoastSensFan, MandyAlwaysKnows, saskriders, The Roffler, Capital O TEETEE 613, Dan1el, ebolarama, Sureves, Qward)
lmao... now that is insane. 16 voters. All those are Senators fans according to their bios/post history. I'm sorry but all this proves is that more Senators fans are voting in this poll. Maybe you sent a mass PM and told everyone how important this poll was to you?
The amount of Sens fans that visit the polls section dwarfs that of the Hawks. Plus there are 14 who voted for "Spezza by a lot" and that just kills the credibility of the voters. Anyone who thinks that just isn't paying attention or doesn't understand. Besides, Kane is hated by a lot of opposing fans and that bias shows in polls...a few Nucks' fans voted against Kane already.
Take out the Sens fans' votes(16 votes) and Hawks' fans votes(2 votes), except if they voted the other player... and here is the real voting:
Patrick Kane: 14 votes
Jason Spezza: 16 votes
A lot closer. Too bad 1/3 of the voters are Sens fans or we might have a more realistic idea.
Ok, if you really think this poll proves anything other than more Sens fans are here... then you're lying to yourself.
As of right now, 2 Hawks fans have voted in this poll and voted Patrick Kane(Sevanston, RomersWorld).
These Sens fans voted for Jason Spezza(OmniSens, SpezDispenser, danishh, AlfieDavidThoreau, Aznguy, BigZKingK, Canadiens Ghost, EastCoastSensFan, MandyAlwaysKnows, saskriders, The Roffler, Capital O TEETEE 613, Dan1el, ebolarama, Sureves, Qward)
lmao... now that is insane. 16 voters. All those are Senators fans according to their bios/post history. I'm sorry but all this proves is that more Senators fans are voting in this poll. Maybe you sent a mass PM and told everyone how important this poll was to you?
The amount of Sens fans that visit the polls section dwarfs that of the Hawks. Plus there are 14 who voted for "Spezza by a lot" and that just kills the credibility of the voters. Anyone who thinks that just isn't paying attention or doesn't understand. Besides, Kane is hated by a lot of opposing fans and that bias shows in polls...a few Nucks' fans voted against Kane already.
Take out the Sens fans' votes(16 votes) and Hawks' fans votes(2 votes), except if they voted the other player... and here is the real voting:
Patrick Kane: 14 votes
Jason Spezza: 16 votes
A lot closer. Too bad 1/3 of the voters are Sens fans or we might have a more realistic idea.
You want me to apologize for my fellow Sens fans voting? Get all your Hawks fans to vote, if its immediately in favor of Kane, then they're as homer. Also noted that not ALL votes are Sens fans/homers. And most of them I can see, aren't homers, are some of the best posters on here/unbiased.
I also will get the poll talk. Won't take out big numbers, current linemates/recent teammates . Kane definitely has the upper hand. Spezza has a Hawk replacing Kane would easily hit 100-110 points. While Kane with Ottawa would probably peak 60 points.
You implied that Spezza easily had more value than Kane does and realistically if you made this thread any time over the past 2 years, Kane wins probably 100 to 5. Luckily for you, people can't remember that Spezza is only good for 57 points or so a season because of his injuries and decline in play. A lot went right for the Sens this year but I can promise Kane will outscore Spezza again and will win a poll at the same time next year.
The only difference between Kane and Spezza again this year was that Spezza was on a team with a better PP. Plus I'd like to see Spezza facing supreme defensive teams like St Louis, Detroit, Nashville, ect like Kane does.
Yeah, Spezza may be able to stat pad in the Eastern Conference, but if we switched roles Kane would be getting about 90 points and Spezza about 70 points IMO. And plus the fact that Kane is 5 years younger with better potential, while Spezza is injury prone and older...it should be a no brainer. We'll revisit this poll in a year and my guess is that 90% of people will change their vote(because that is how HF works).
Kane plays with Toews, Sharp and Hossa. He is the 4th best forward on his team.
Spezza is the only good forward on his team and attracts all the attention, and has pretty much no one to pass to. Michalek can finish a little, but had 5 empty netters and it's no coincidence he had his big season when Spezza remained healthy.
Patrick Kane by a little bit, but enough to notice. Spezza is too inconsistent and injury prone. Plus, Kane is 5 years younger and just about as good IMO. Kane has been better 2 out of the last 3 years. But whoever was better the last year should win the poll because this is HF.
Too inconsistent? Righttttttttt.
2 out of the last 3 years? I'd love to see Kane put up big points on the 09-10 Sens team. Dark days for the entirety of the Senators organization. Don't try and pretend that Kane is obviously the better player and everyone else is wrong because "it's HF".
Bonafide #1 C that CONSISTENTLY is the driving force of a team's offense (next to Erik Karlsson) and CONSISTENTLY puts up big numbers. That's not bias. I'd love to see Jason Spezza given the teammates that Kane has been given to play with over the seasons and see what happens.
i am one of kane's biggest fans but i will still say this is spezza. he plays a more valuable position, puts up better numbers, and is a better player overall
Spezza is better offensively, and by a decent margin, all while playing with far less talent around him the past few years than Kane has had to work with.
Defensively, well... Kane's defensive game is a joke whereas Spezza is a top tier two-way forward in the league.
Kane does not hit, he does not PK, he is laughable as a center, he has multiple off-ice issues, and his offense has been regressing every year since the Cup year, which saw everyone on the Blackhawks achieve inflated numbers they have yet to replicate.
I guess if you like spin-o-rama moves that work once a season, then you pick Kane. If you actually watch hockey though, Spezza. Not close.
I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal about age. You have one player just about to enter his prime and another in the middle, or (a lot would argue) the tail-end of his.
Spezza is better offensively, and by a decent margin, all while playing with far less talent around him the past few years than Kane has had to work with.
Defensively, well... Kane's defensive game is a joke whereas Spezza is a top tier two-way forward in the league.
Kane does not hit, he does not PK, he is laughable as a center, he has multiple off-ice issues, and his offense has been regressing every year since the Cup year, which saw everyone on the Blackhawks achieve inflated numbers they have yet to replicate.
I guess if you like spin-o-rama moves that work once a season, then you pick Kane. If you actually watch hockey though, Spezza. Not close.
Because Spezza did last year? I don't know if you can call someone a top tier two-way forward when they only have 25 seconds of SH time a game. Not saying he isn't good defensively though.
Ok, if you really think this poll proves anything other than more Sens fans are here... then you're lying to yourself.
As of right now, 2 Hawks fans have voted in this poll and voted Patrick Kane(Sevanston, RomersWorld).
These Sens fans voted for Jason Spezza(OmniSens, SpezDispenser, danishh, AlfieDavidThoreau, Aznguy, BigZKingK, Canadiens Ghost, EastCoastSensFan, MandyAlwaysKnows, saskriders, The Roffler, Capital O TEETEE 613, Dan1el, ebolarama, Sureves, Qward)
lmao... now that is insane. 16 voters. All those are Senators fans according to their bios/post history. I'm sorry but all this proves is that more Senators fans are voting in this poll. Maybe you sent a mass PM and told everyone how important this poll was to you?
The amount of Sens fans that visit the polls section dwarfs that of the Hawks. Plus there are 14 who voted for "Spezza by a lot" and that just kills the credibility of the voters. Anyone who thinks that just isn't paying attention or doesn't understand. Besides, Kane is hated by a lot of opposing fans and that bias shows in polls...a few Nucks' fans voted against Kane already.
Take out the Sens fans' votes(16 votes) and Hawks' fans votes(2 votes), except if they voted the other player... and here is the real voting:
Patrick Kane: 14 votes
Jason Spezza: 16 votes
A lot closer. Too bad 1/3 of the voters are Sens fans or we might have a more realistic idea.
Please tell me what I don't understand and why I'm wrong for choosing the #1 center who scores at a PPG over Patrick fricken Kane whos had 1 good year and plays the less valuable position?
Doesn't Kane mostly play wing? If Spezza gets more PPG then Kane and is a centre wouldn't the obvious more valuable player be Spezza just for this reason alone?
Just in the last three seasons Spezza has hovered just above or below PPG. That's ignoring all his other PPG seasons. Plus he has two 90 point seasons.
Kane, despite being much younger and playing for the much better team, wasn't anywhere near PPG last season, only has two PPG seasons in his career, and has never had a 90 point season.
That's without considering things like two-way play, positions, etc. I think it's obvious who's better right now.
Kane isn't really too consistent. At least not more than Spezza. Last year Kane went through his slumps, as did Spezza.
However Kane plays with far better players. Playing with Michalek and Greening/Condra/insert random, Spezza put up a very respectable 85 points (fourth in league scoring). He probably could have gone a little higher too, but his wife was expecting a baby in the last few weeks of the season and you could see it throwing his game off a bit. His best friend also died midway through the season. I think he probably could have put up around 88 points if it weren't for that.
Just in the last three seasons Spezza has hovered just above or below PPG. That's ignoring all his other PPG seasons. Plus he has two 90 point seasons.
Kane, despite being much younger and playing for the much better team, wasn't anywhere near PPG last season, only has two PPG seasons in his career, and has never had a 90 point season.
That's without considering things like two-way play, positions, etc. I think it's obvious who's better right now.
That way, it would be more clear-cut for Spezza but the question is, who has more value, not who's better right now.
I think they're close offensively, but Spezza's better defensively, and more importantly (to me), he's a center and I believe centers have more value than wingers, if all else is equal.
