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11-23-2012, 08:37 PM
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I hereby preemptively take back all of my viewpoints on the Jared Spurgeon issue should we one day find out that the Isles did indeed offer him an ELC that his party turned down.

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The POINT is that the Isles were at the roster limit and they had already traded Niemi who had value on the market, clearly Spurgeon did not. They were forced to let him go. It had nothing to do with what each had accomplished.
I understand this. I understand that the contract situation played a role in both cases, one where there was little contract flexibility and one where there was a good bit more.

I cannot agree that they were forced to Spurgeon go, at least not in the sense that they couldn't have found room for him had they known/felt he was actually going to be an NHLer of use.

In addition, I think fans can certainly be critically ponderous of why their favorite team couldn't make room for a much more accomplished and impressive prospect, yet quickly handed a considerably injured guy who had shown very little to date that same contract, regardless of the overall contract number situation.

You're a passionate hockey guy. Do you have no motivation to wonder what that's about?

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If they had felt Spurgeon was truly the next Rafalski I'm sure they would've made room for him. He isn't. They didn't lose out on much, a 5/6th PP specialist at best.
See, I'd go further than that.

We know that no-one here can completely deduce that the Islanders didn't sign Spurgeon only because they were nearing the 50 contract limit. It's much more likely that they already felt they had enough smaller puck-moving/offensive Dmen in the franchise/system and thus determined they couldn't afford to 'waste' or 'invest' one of the remaining few contracts in yet another.

Still, it's also a matter of evaluating his NHL possibilities and furthermore, comparing them to those of other signees or signing options. It's clear - as you allude to - that they simply didn't foresee him being able to do what he has come to do. He didn't have to be 'Brian Rafalski'. Had they had any true belief, feeling or inkling in him being able to become the guy he was this past season for Minnesota, one would have to think that they'd have found a way to bring him into the fold, even if it meant jettisoning another player under contract. Heck, they gave Bruno Gervais all the opportunity in the world to not even become what Spurgeon was this past season.

That all has to do with a little bit more than just the team not wanting to spare one of the last few of their 50 contracts.

Now, some may want to downplay Jared's achievements to date, but at the end of the day, the Isles made room for players in Snow's tenure here who have not (guys like Marcinko, Romano, Katic, Klementyev, etc.) or not yet (Ness, Wishart) come close to being the player Spurgeon has been to date - and likely never will be. Sure, you don't win them all in the draft-and-sign game, but Spurgeon did a number things in his junior career that may/should have warranted this team to decide on finding out what he could bring moreso than a lot of the guys they've given a shot - and an ELC - to.

They didn't.

I feel it's perfectly legitimate to see this as a negative in the asset management column.

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Fast forward to when they signed Clark, they were not faced with the roster limit problem. Thus they signed him for depth in Bridgeport.
Ok, I'll drop and humbly take back everything I've said on Clark if he's been signed to solely an AHL contract or something of that nature.

As I've understood it, he's been signed to an ELC.

Would you say NHL teams nowadays should or widely are in the habit of handing out an ELC, one of those precious few 50 contracts, to self-drafted kids who they don't see having fairly good NHL possibilities? I sure hope the Isles aren't doing it just for Bridgeport depth. They can find a plethora of other options for that without wasting one of their 50 contracts.

Contract number situation here or there, they've been ready to let an untested Dman with an impressive junior resume leave only to quickly become an NHLer elsewhere - something they pretty obviously didn't foresee happening. That's not entirely the problem. That happens to just about every club at some point.

But with that in mind, being then so doggone ready to dish out essentially that same ELC contract to a kid who has given so little reason for it before or since just because they have more contract flexibility would itself have to have every inquiring fan questioning this team's decision-making process in recognizing what the actual NHL possibilities are for its own draftees or the prospects it has traded for.

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You're making a mountain out of a molehill on this one and it is of very little consequence in the grand scheme of things. Get over it and move on for chrissake. Your argument is moot and tiresome at this point.
Looks like you'd have saved yourself some stress and bandwidth had you just not commented whatsoever.

Now, Konk, we've been around the block a few times in alone this calendar year. It's quite obvious that you don't like a lot of my thought patterns or the way I see things. You see fundamental flaws. I get it. So be it. If you see something here in this post that you feel like discussing, then feel free to do so.

If you however have the urge to once again be detrimental, go on a witchhunt or give me a hockey knowledge spanking of sorts, that's not what I or most of our fellow posters are here for. That's not how I conversate with you here either. So if you feel that need at the moment, then it's a good sign that you should just ignore this post and - for that matter - any others I make.

Just about any interaction we've had here has been based on your need to not just disagree with, but to condescendingly downtalk a usually unimportant, non-attacking opinionative piece I've posted here.

You don't like what I'm generally posting, just be so kind as to ignore it.

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11-23-2012, 08:38 PM
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He's really poised and he's a big boy. Showed some snarl too. His skating stride looks pretty good and he can move for a big kid. Happy to see that.

Also, Strome with another big night, 2g 1a in a 4-1 win. Looking forward to the analysis from DRex.
Agreed, his skating stride was better than my expectations and he owned the crease on the penalty kill.

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I actually missed Jack Hillen at times last season. Seriously!

I also think Gervais isn't nearly as good as Spurgeon.

But to your point, let's get more technical. I've questioned why the team would be motivated to sign a guy like Clark, but not a guy like Spurgeon. BH mentioned the concerns about the 50 contract limit at the time. A very good reason to make a decision not to sign a 5'8" offensive Dman. I definitely see that playing a good role.

But riddle me this: What did Aaron Ness, a 2nd round lefty-shooting Dman with pretty much the exact same profile as the 6th round righty-shooting Jared Spurgeon, do before or after his signing that has actually outdone Spurgeon? What?

Ness had a very unsuspecting college career that hadn't come to an end and where he clearly hadn't 'outgrown' or 'dominated' his league. For all intensive purposes, could Snow not have taken the viable achievements of Spurgeon into heavier consideration, signed him and then waited a bit longer for Ness, possibly letting Aaron be the one to walk instead?

Not worth thinking about?
IMO, the most likely reason Aaron Ness was signed was because the Islanders staff remained high on his upside, but were not please with how he was being handled at Minnesota under Lucia (same coach that they pulled Okposo away from mid-season).

In Spurgeon's case, for whatever reason, the Islanders likely did not see his upside to be as high as other similar prospects in the system, and didn't feel they had the roster space (contract limit) or role for him in the organization. In 2010 they already had Katic, Reese and Kohn on the BST roster, Donovan and Ness were signed at the end of the season, and De Haan was signed after the season ended. As such, they let him walk. It's something teams do all the time, and sometimes they turn out to be wrong.

However, it's not like there was a bidding war for Spurgeon when he was UFA, and as I recall, it took him a while before finding a taker. This would indicate that the Islanders weren't alone in their opinion that he didn't have NHL upside, and that many scouts league wide shared the opinion. While that doesn't make the Islanders any more correct, it does lend legitimacy to the decision.

Jason Clark, I have no idea on. But again, the most likely scenario is likely the correct one. IMO, that would simply be that they had the roster space, and felt he could fulfill a role on the BST and maybe develop into a useful bottom six player in the future. They may be wrong on this one too, but again, it'd hardly be the first a team signed a prospect that didn't pan out.

By and large I am satisfied with the job the Islanders have done with the prospect pool. Have some errors been made? Of course, but that's true of every single team in the league. But I think we have a great prospect pool, and that's more important to me than breaking down each and every time hindsight shows they didn't make the absolute best choice.

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Rienhart with a PP goal in the second! He was being used on the first PP and was fed a pass from the point that he one timed off the post, off the goaltenders pad and in! He's got an impressive slapper!

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Reinhart does have a big shot. I don't understand why Edmonton doesn't utilize it more on the PP.

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reinhart with the cannon to put the oil kings up 2-1.

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Hi to all just got back to the hotel from the game. Niagara won 4-1 over Belleville and
Strome played a real good game tonight. He was much more aggressive from what I recall
from watching on TV from last year's world junior. On two occasions in the third it looked liked
he and Jordan Subban (PK's brother) might fight His game is very complete now, besides
his offense he was winning face-offs, killing penalties (Niagara played a lot of time shorthanded).
He was working just a hard defensively as was on offense.

Theoret opened the scoring 31 seconds into the game, as Strome found him open on the left
side for an easy tap in. Thorough 2 periods Belleville for the most part controlled the
play and the game was tied 1-1 after 2. It was in the tihird that Strome took over. Niagara took a 2-1 lead about 6:30 into the third. About 1:30 later Strome went to the front of the net and deflected
Dougie Hamilton's point shot into the top of the net for a 3-1 lead. Strome added an empty net goal
with about 35 seconds left, again showing his great hand eye coordination, Theoret centered the puck that was deflected into the air and Strome batted the puck into the empty net. He was the game's first star.

Strome is stronger no question. He now seems to have the confidence to go into traffic and not play strictly on the outside.
Still want him to keep working on his skating and see a little better acceleration, once he gets going he's fine. He does cut and turn
well. He still looks a bit rough and his style is slightly bent over but overall he's made good strides. He's a better skater than John
Tavaras at age 19 so with more work and maturity it should not be a concern when he's ready. Strome should have no problem
when he gets to the AHL next season.

Theoret must have worked on his skating over the summer.He's certainly faster than he was in the past. He plays well in
both ends and has better hands than I remember. He is benefitting from playing with Strome and had at least three other chances
thanks to Strome's playmaking. Give him credit though, he's taking advantage of being on the top line and could earn a contract.

Graham is pretty fast but he's tiny and almost cost Niagara a goal turing the puck over at the blueline in the second.
He had to take a penalty which Niagara killed off.

blinkman asked about Hamilton-Simply he does not belong in junior. It's not enough of a challege for him,he's NHL ready.

I'll be back here tomorrow night as Niagara hosts Sudbury. If you have any questions or comments don't hesitate to ask.


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just noticed reinhart's wearing the "C" for the oil kings. was he just recently named captain or has he been all season? at any rate, seems like he's stepped up his game in the 3rd. probably helps that moose jaw is pretty bad, but this is the first time i've been impressed with his 2-way game and not just his d-play.

on another note, reilly's been invisible in the 3rd after really buzzing in the 1st and most of the 2nd.

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You're a passionate hockey guy. Do you have no motivation to wonder what that's about?
The Islanders took Jared Clark in the third round. It seems like they liked him then, and now. From what I saw at prospect camp, he didn't look like a player with two hip surgeries. He was a much better passer than I expected, and seemed like he saw the ice well and knew where to be.

I also remember the days when the Islanders didn't have a legitimate AHL affiliate, and often borrowed prospects from other teams, and how we used to never be able to bring Europeans or Russians to the AHL. We're not only drafting Europeans and Russians, but they are signing to play in the AHL (Klementyev and Kabanov, Sundstrom, Ullstrom, Niederreiter, Figren, etc.). It used to be we would draft guys like Doug Rogers and Brian Day and Shea Guthrie, who were decent college players with absolutely no chance of making it to the AHL.

Not only do we have a Bridgeport Sound Tigers affiliate, Charles Wang strategically bought them after suing the affiliate's former owners for not paying affiliation dues, giving us an AHL affiliate a short car ride from the Coliseum in case of emergency call-ups (thank god Kentucky Thoroughblades collapsed and we got the hell out of Lowell), we then got an ECHL affiliate, and then added a CHL affiliate in 2008.

Hey... You're a passionate hockey guy. Do you have no motivation to wonder what that's about?

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You don't like what I'm generally posting, just be so kind as to ignore it.
No one dislikes it, but it gets tired after awhile. It's like the day the Isles let Jared Spurgeon become a UFA, Garth Snow offered to walk your blind grandma across the street and shoved her in front of an 18 wheeler, flattening her like a cartoon in Roger Rabbit.

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Hi to all just got back to the hotel from the game. Niagara won 4-1 over Belleville and the
Strome played a real good game tonight. He was much more aggressive from what I recall
from watching on TV from last year's world junior. on two occasions in the third it looked liked
he and Jordan Subban (PK's brother) might fight His game is very complete now, besides
his offense he was winning face-offs, killing penalties (Niagara played a lot of time shorthanded).
He was working just a hard defensively as has was on offense.

Theoret opened the scoring 30 seconds into the game, as Strome found him open on the left
side for an easy tap in. Thorough 2 periods Belleville for the most part controlled the
play and the game was tied 1-1 after 2. It was in the tihird that Strome took over. Niagara took a 2-1 lead about 6:30 into the third. about 1:30 later Strome went to the front of the net and deflected
Dougie Hamilton's point shot into the top of the net for a 3-1 lead. Strome added an empty net goal
with about 35 seconds left, again showing his great hand eye coordination, Theoret centered the puck that was deflected into the air and Strome batted the puck into the empty net. He was the game's first star.

Strome is stronger no question. He now seems to have the confidence to go into traffic and not play strictly on the outside.
Still want him to keep working on his skating and see a little better acceleration, once he gets going he's fine. He does cut and turn
well. He still looks a bit rough and his style is slightly bent over but overall he's made good strides. He's a better skater than John
Tavaras at age 19 so with more work and maturity it should not be a concern when he's ready. Strome should have no problem
when he gets to the AHL next season.
Thanks for the report DRex. Pretty much what I was expecting from all reports about his play this season. It's just a matter of him physically maturing because the skill, desire, and work ethic all seem to be a part of the package. Unless he pulls a Capt. America over the offseason, I think some AHL time would do him a world of good to get acclimated to the professional game. Very excited about his future.

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Thanks for the report DRex. Pretty much what I was expecting from all reports about his play this season. It's just a matter of him physically maturing because the skill, desire, and work ethic all seem to be a part of the package. Unless he pulls a Capt. America over the offseason, I think some AHL time would do him a world of good to get acclimated to the professional game. Very excited about his future.
I added more to the above post.

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Thanks Rex, you're the man!

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I added more to the above post.
Awesome report DRex, I won't have to use my ban button on you.

Methinks Theoret could be Dibo 2.0. Good for him for seizing the opportunity though. He may have earned himself an ELC which wouldn't be a bad thing as he'd ease Strome's transition at the Bridge - assuming Strome is not on the big club.

To change gears a bit, I'm really liking what I'm seeing out of Reinhart. His size, reach, and positional play is top notch. It was kind of comical to see some of the MJ forwards attempt to try and beat him. He doesn't seek out physical play, but he'll lay the smackdown when provoked and I loved seeing that from him. He still needs to just fill out and get stronger, but he could be a physical beast when that day comes.

He has ice water running through his veins, really patient and really smart. Makes a really good first pass and you get the sense that he's thought everything through before doing something, kind of like a QB going through his progressions before unloading. He's got a big shot and looked very capable on the PP. I'm annoyed that the Oil Kings don't utilize his shot more with their 1st PP unit consisting of 5 forwards. Started to get more aggressive offensively as the game went on and the Oil Kings continued to build on their lead. I'm very pleased with him, he should be a stalwart on the blue line for a long, long time.

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Awesome report DRex, I won't have to use my ban button on you.

Methinks Theoret could be Dibo 2.0. Good for him for seizing the opportunity though. He may have earned himself an ELC which wouldn't be a bad thing as he'd ease Strome's transition at the Bridge - assuming Strome is not on the big club.

To change gears a bit, I'm really liking what I'm seeing out of Reinhart. His size, reach, and positional play is top notch. It was kind of comical to see some of the MJ forwards attempt to try and beat him. He doesn't seek out physical play, but he'll lay the smackdown when provoked and I loved seeing that from him. He still needs to just fill out and get stronger, but he could be a physical beast when that day comes.

He has ice water running through his veins, really patient and really smart. Makes a really good first pass and you get the sense that he's thought everything through before doing something, kind of like a QB going through his progressions before unloading. He's got a big shot and looked very capable on the PP. I'm annoyed that the Oil Kings don't utilize his shot more with their 1st PP unit consisting of 5 forwards. Started to get more aggressive offensively as the game went on and the Oil Kings continued to build on their lead. I'm very pleased with him, he should be a stalwart on the blue line for a long, long time.
Glad I'm on the nice list. Got back to the hotel mid third period of the Edmonton game so thanks for
the Reinhart report.

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Strome has 46 points in 25 games and is a +30. Great numbers from him.

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Hi to all just got back to the hotel from the game. Niagara won 4-1 over Belleville and the
Strome played a real good game tonight. He was much more aggressive from what I recall
from watching on TV from last year's world junior. On two occasions in the third it looked liked
he and Jordan Subban (PK's brother) might fight His game is very complete now, besides
his offense he was winning face-offs, killing penalties (Niagara played a lot of time shorthanded).
He was working just a hard defensively as has was on offense.

Theoret opened the scoring 30 seconds into the game, as Strome found him open on the left
side for an easy tap in. Thorough 2 periods Belleville for the most part controlled the
play and the game was tied 1-1 after 2. It was in the tihird that Strome took over. Niagara took a 2-1 lead about 6:30 into the third. about 1:30 later Strome went to the front of the net and deflected
Dougie Hamilton's point shot into the top of the net for a 3-1 lead. Strome added an empty net goal
with about 35 seconds left, again showing his great hand eye coordination, Theoret centered the puck that was deflected into the air and Strome batted the puck into the empty net. He was the game's first star.

Strome is stronger no question. He now seems to have the confidence to go into traffic and not play strictly on the outside.
Still want him to keep working on his skating and see a little better acceleration, once he gets going he's fine. He does cut and turn
well. He still looks a bit rough and his style is slightly bent over but overall he's made good strides. He's a better skater than John
Tavaras at age 19 so with more work and maturity it should not be a concern when he's ready. Strome should have no problem
when he gets to the AHL next season.

Theoret must have worked on his skating over the summer.He's certainly faster than he was in the past. He plays well in
both ends and has better hands than I remember. He is benefitting from playing with Strome and had at least three other chances
thanks to Strome's playmaking. Give him credit though, he's taking advantage of being on the top line and could earn a contract.

Graham is pretty fast but he's tiny and almost cost Niagara a goal turing the puck over at the blueline in the second.
He had to take a penalty which Niagara killed off.

blinkman asked about Hamilton-Simply he does not belong in junior. It's not enough of a challege for him,he's NHL ready.

I'll be back here tomorrow night as Niagara hosts Sudbury. If you have any questions or comments don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks a lot Rex. That's actually the reason I asked you to tell me your thoughts. From everything I read this offseason he seemed like an automatic to start the year in Boston. I'm not surprised that he looked that good.

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Theoret has 25 points in 21 games. +17. 6'2", 212 lbs.

a big improvement over his 21 points in 66 games last year. he's 19, with a birthday in June, so he just might have saved his hockey career...

not bad for a 7th rounder.


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Strome is stronger no question. He now seems to have the confidence to go into traffic and not play strictly on the outside.
Still want him to keep working on his skating and see a little better acceleration, once he gets going he's fine. He does cut and turn
well. He still looks a bit rough and his style is slightly bent over but overall he's made good strides. He's a better skater than John
Tavaras at age 19 so with more work and maturity it should not be a concern when he's ready. Strome should have no problem
when he gets to the AHL next season.

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I love reading that Strome's been working so hard and improving the weak parts of his game.

I thought Niagara was expected to be one of the weaker teams and would trade Strome and Hamilton. Are they a better team then fans and writers expected?

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I love reading that Strome's been working so hard and improving the weak parts of his game.

I thought Niagara was expected to be one of the weaker teams and would trade Strome and Hamilton. Are they a better team then fans and writers expected?
No, they are getting carried by the top line, Theoret-Strome-Richtie, and Hamilton. Also, no team is going to trade for Hamilton or Strome because both are going to get looks in the NHL if the CBA is resolved and Hamilton, like stated above, is pretty much a lock to stay with the B's.

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Niagara is basically built around 2 star players, Strome and Hamilton,with Ritchie and Theoret nice compilments. No question that Strome is making his wings better. He looks to feed them as much as possible. If and when the lockout ends Hamilton is going right to Boston-he's ready.

What I liked about Strome so much last night was he has raised his compete level by miles.
Training with a competitor like JT helps and he's getting the right workouts. Throw out the offense for a sec-Strome dominated, killing penalties and on face-offs. He's turned into a complete player.
I was thrilled with what I saw last night and looking for another good game from him tonight.
He'll continue to improve on his weakness, he is being handled by the right people.

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Niagara is basically built around 2 star players, Strome and Hamilton,with Ritchie and Theoret nice compilments. No question that Strome is making his wings better. He looks to feed them as much as possible. If and when the lockout ends Hamilton is going right to Boston-he's ready.

What I liked about Strome so much last night was he has raised his compete level by miles.
Training with a competitor like JT helps and he's getting the right workouts. Throw out the offense for a sec-Strome dominated, killing penalties and on face-offs. He's turned into a complete player.
I was thrilled with what I saw last night and looking for another good game from him tonight.
He'll continue to improve on his weakness, he is being handled by the right people.
Yeah, you take either Strome or Hamilton off the Ice Dogs and they're going to be in for a world of hurt. I'm sure the Niagara organization is praying that the NHL has a lost season because they could get a king's ransom for either player.

Loving that Strome is developing his overall game. When was the last time we had this good of a center prospect and left him alone to develop? He could be the bizarro Tim Connolly. Add in Nelson's emergence and I can't recall having 2 stud center prospects like this since, I don't even know.

Just saw the replay of the Oil Kings game and I'm even more impressed with Reinhart. He was seriously a man amongst boys last night. He threw the body when he needed to (a couple of bodies went flying as a result), but he's got such an active stick with that awesome reach. If you watch the 3rd period, he broke up 3 plays with poke checks in a span of like 5 seconds and then takes the puck to lead the rush. Showed much better mobility than I was expecting from such a big kid too. Forsberg who?

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Yeah, you take either Strome or Hamilton off the Ice Dogs and they're going to be in for a world of hurt. I'm sure the Niagara organization is praying that the NHL has a lost season because they could get a king's ransom for either player.

Loving that Strome is developing his overall game. When was the last time we had this good of a center prospect and left him alone to develop? He could be the bizarro Tim Connolly. Add in Nelson's emergence and I can't recall having 2 stud center prospects like this since, I don't even know.

Just saw the replay of the Oil Kings game and I'm even more impressed with Reinhart. He was seriously a man amongst boys last night. He threw the body when he needed to (a couple of bodies went flying as a result), but he's got such an active stick with that awesome reach. If you watch the 3rd period, he broke up 3 plays with poke checks in a span of like 5 seconds and then takes the puck to lead the rush. Showed much better mobility than I was expecting from such a big kid too. Forsberg who?
I put the game on back at the hotel in the third but I was typing what happened in last's nights
Niagara game and didn't pay enough attention, since I did promise a 'scouting report." Saw in the box score that Reinhart was the first star of the game. The mystery about him is the untapped potential, the hockey sense the way he executes the fundamentals in such an efficient manner is rare for a d man his age.

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Thanks Degen Rex, despite my immense jealousy of you getting to watch Strome live, I really appreciate these scouting reports. How can you not be anything but excited about Strome ? He's added strength to an already special skills package, and with the amount of skilled forwards we have already in the AHL, he's going to make one of them better by being their center.

As far as Reinhart, I was one of the few Isle's fans that didn't neccasarily like this pick. With Grigarenko and Forsberg available, I thought the Isles may have been better off picking one of those guys. But watching him live, I can really see what all the hype is about. He plays such a smart, calm, confident game out there. Uses his stick defensively so well, he's great at boocking shots AND passing lanes, AND he will knock you on your ass if he feels its necessary. He really uses his size to his advantage with great wing span as well. The announcers just rave about his defensive game. I remember he made a great defensive play, and the announcer said "that is what is going to make him a great NHL defenseman".

What I like about him too is, you can see that he has some offensive capabilities too, the goal he scored last night was not only a bullet, but also a great one-timer, it's a kind of shot people with confidence take. He'll never be an offensive dynamo, but he does have some offensive tendencies. I'm totally sold on the kid, and can see why people love his game and hockey IQ. 2015, we'll have Reinhart, Mayfield, Pedan, Hamonic, McDonald & Donovan as our top 6 on the D corps. Pretty damned talented group.

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Hi to all just got back to the hotel from the game. Niagara won 4-1 over Belleville and
Strome played a real good game tonight. He was much more aggressive from what I recall
from watching on TV from last year's world junior. On two occasions in the third it looked liked
he and Jordan Subban (PK's brother) might fight His game is very complete now, besides
his offense he was winning face-offs, killing penalties (Niagara played a lot of time shorthanded).
He was working just a hard defensively as was on offense.

Theoret opened the scoring 31 seconds into the game, as Strome found him open on the left
side for an easy tap in. Thorough 2 periods Belleville for the most part controlled the
play and the game was tied 1-1 after 2. It was in the tihird that Strome took over. Niagara took a 2-1 lead about 6:30 into the third. About 1:30 later Strome went to the front of the net and deflected
Dougie Hamilton's point shot into the top of the net for a 3-1 lead. Strome added an empty net goal
with about 35 seconds left, again showing his great hand eye coordination, Theoret centered the puck that was deflected into the air and Strome batted the puck into the empty net. He was the game's first star.

Strome is stronger no question. He now seems to have the confidence to go into traffic and not play strictly on the outside.
Still want him to keep working on his skating and see a little better acceleration, once he gets going he's fine. He does cut and turn
well. He still looks a bit rough and his style is slightly bent over but overall he's made good strides. He's a better skater than John
Tavaras at age 19 so with more work and maturity it should not be a concern when he's ready. Strome should have no problem
when he gets to the AHL next season.

Theoret must have worked on his skating over the summer.He's certainly faster than he was in the past. He plays well in
both ends and has better hands than I remember. He is benefitting from playing with Strome and had at least three other chances
thanks to Strome's playmaking. Give him credit though, he's taking advantage of being on the top line and could earn a contract.

Graham is pretty fast but he's tiny and almost cost Niagara a goal turing the puck over at the blueline in the second.
He had to take a penalty which Niagara killed off.

blinkman asked about Hamilton-Simply he does not belong in junior. It's not enough of a challege for him,he's NHL ready.

I'll be back here tomorrow night as Niagara hosts Sudbury. If you have any questions or comments don't hesitate to ask.
This is a little off topic, but I'm curious to hear about Sudbury's Frank Corrado. He's a Vancouver prospect that I've heard rave reviews about. Just wondering what you will think of him when you see him tonight.

Also, does Theoret look like the type who could be a grinder? Judging by his PIM he doesn't look that aggressive. His offensive numbers have been downright impressive.

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Looks like you'd have saved yourself some stress and bandwidth had you just not commented whatsoever.

Now, Konk, we've been around the block a few times in alone this calendar year. It's quite obvious that you don't like a lot of my thought patterns or the way I see things. You see fundamental flaws. I get it. So be it. If you see something here in this post that you feel like discussing, then feel free to do so.

If you however have the urge to once again be detrimental, go on a witchhunt or give me a hockey knowledge spanking of sorts, that's not what I or most of our fellow posters are here for. That's not how I conversate with you here either. So if you feel that need at the moment, then it's a good sign that you should just ignore this post and - for that matter - any others I make.

Just about any interaction we've had here has been based on your need to not just disagree with, but to condescendingly downtalk a usually unimportant, non-attacking opinionative piece I've posted here.

You don't like what I'm generally posting, just be so kind as to ignore it.
Here's my problem with you and the way you present your opinions -- you beat the same drum over and over and often ignore any facts or rebuttals people make that shoot down the theory you want to believe. They can even make a slight concession and you will ignore everything else (i.e. points you present that are proven to be false) and go on with your same ol' same ol' and a day or two later, spout the same thing again and again as if you're some sort of authority on the subject when you clearly are not.

This particular case with Spurgeon is most tiresome due to the fact that he's a below-average NHLer at this point and wouldn't be in the NHL yet had he been on a team that didn't have a particularly weak blueline and suffered the most casualties in the NHL last year. Let's not forget your entire opinion is based on hindsight. I didn't see you beating this drum when he was actually let go. You only started on it when he made the NHL. Anyone can make those decisions after the fact. Snow did what he felt he had to do based on a particular evaluation and scenario with an asset. His hand was slighty forced due to the scenario involved whether you want to admit it or not. Clearly there were other factors involved -- like the redundancy of similar assets already in the system which made the decision easier. Obviously it isn't as black and white as you make it out to be.

Let's also remember these things happen to every single team in the league. Every single team will have those handful of situations where in hindsight, maybe they should've kept so-and-so. If Jared Spurgeon was Brian Rafalski, then yes, it would be much worse. He isn't. It's not as if the Isles haven't benefitted from the flipside of this -- Michael Grabner is the perfect example. In the end it all evens out, move on, concentrate on the current team moving forward and stop harping on the past as if you know you would've made the right decision if it was you instead of Snow. This is typical armchair GM behavior and I am clearly not alone when I say you should take your own advice and keep it to yourself. There's numerous people who have grown tired of reading it.

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