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08-30-2012, 10:35 PM
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the competition will be harder, but now hes going to be with NHL legend Jarome Iginla. so im not to worried about it. plus he has some sweet new coaches to work with woot!
I don't know that I would call Iginla a legend.

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I don't know that I would call Iginla a legend.
Yeah I agree. I love Iginla but legend is too far.

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I don't know that I would call Iginla a legend.
What? 1073 points in 1188 games is legendary, let alone 2 memorial cups, 2 olympic gold medals, 1 world championship, 1 world cup, and 1 Junior gold. Not to mention all the other little awards such as all-star nominations, hart, art ross, etc.

Damn, people really hate when players head towards the end of their careers!

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What? 1073 points in 1188 games is legendary, let alone 2 memorial cups, 2 olympic gold medals, 1 world championship, 1 world cup, and 1 Junior gold. Not to mention all the other little awards such as all-star nominations, hart, art ross, etc.

Damn, people really hate when players head towards the end of their careers!
You're joking right? I never considered Iginla a legend even in his prime. Iginla is a very damn good player, my all-time favourite, but I'm not going to be biased and give him that title. Legend is a term that should be reserved for generational talent (Richard, Howe, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, Lemeuix, Orr, etc.). Maybe if he had multiple 100-point seasons and a cup or two under his belt then this could actually be debatable.

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You're joking right? I never considered Iginla a legend even in his prime. Iginla is a very damn good player, my all-time favourite, but I'm not going to be biased and give him that title. Legend is a term that should be reserved for generational talent (Richard, Howe, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, Lemeuix, Orr, etc.). Maybe if he had multiple 100-point seasons and a cup or two under his belt then this could actually be debatable.
So our definitions of legends are different? A damn good hockey player to me is Curtis Glencross. A legend to me is someone who will be in the HOF.

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You're joking right? I never considered Iginla a legend even in his prime. Iginla is a very damn good player, my all-time favourite, but I'm not going to be biased and give him that title. Legend is a term that should be reserved for generational talent (Richard, Howe, Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic, Lemeuix, Orr, etc.). Maybe if he had multiple 100-point seasons and a cup or two under his belt then this could actually be debatable.
He's that next step down from Legend. There are only a few players that deserve that title. The only one currently playing is on his last legs in Jersey.

While Jarome is an incredible player, legend might be going a bit far, he didn't revolutionize the position, he isn't a multiple cup winner... He's that next step down from Legend, where you have incredible players like Coffey, Lanny, Sundin(meh), Shanny. Guys who played very well, has great seasons... but didn't have that iconic next step.

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He's that next step down from Legend. There are only a few players that deserve that title. The only one currently playing is on his last legs in Jersey.

While Jarome is an incredible player, legend might be going a bit far, he didn't revolutionize the position, he isn't a multiple cup winner... He's that next step down from Legend, where you have incredible players like Coffey, Lanny, Sundin(meh), Shanny. Guys who played very well, has great seasons... but didn't have that iconic next step.
I dont know if you can call Jarome an NHL legend. He is definitely a calgary sports legend.

One thing people always forget is that he was arguably the face on the NHL pre-lockout.

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So our definitions of legends are different? A damn good hockey player to me is Curtis Glencross. A legend to me is someone who will be in the HOF.
Then I'd have to say your standards are lower. Iginla is in the same class as Sundin, Thornton, Shanny, etc. HOF locks but not legends.

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Elite yes. Legendary, no.

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Then I'd have to say your standards are lower. Iginla is in the same class as Sundin, Thornton, Shanny, etc. HOF locks but not legends.
And maybe I'd say your standards are ridiculous? Are we arguing symantics here or having a pissing contest?

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Iginla's a HHOF, no doubt... but it doesn't make him a legend. He's definitely been elite, right now he's "damn good", but legendary IMO should be in the talk constantly for say, top 20 at thier position all time.

Lidstrom was legendary.
Brodeur is legendary.
Iginla... is not near these two players. At one point, he was considered "the best in the world" around the 2004 lockout. But that qualifies him for superstar, or elite only IMO. As someone who likes reading the HoH forums as well, there's no way that gang of guys would put Iginla as a legendary player... and they know their ****. I usually agree with them.

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And maybe I'd say your standards are ridiculous? Are we arguing symantics here or having a pissing contest?
No I'm just stating my opinion, and I think its pretty widely agreed upon what denotes an NHL legend. I think this is getting a bit off topic though so drop me a PM if you want to discuss it further.

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Iginla's a HHOF, no doubt... but it doesn't make him a legend. He's definitely been elite, right now he's "damn good", but legendary IMO should be in the talk constantly for say, top 20 at thier position all time.

Lidstrom was legendary.
Brodeur is legendary.
Iginla... is not near these two players. At one point, he was considered "the best in the world" around the 2004 lockout. But that qualifies him for superstar, or elite only IMO. As someone who likes reading the HoH forums as well, there's no way that gang of guys would put Iginla as a legendary player... and they know their ****. I usually agree with them.
I somewhat disagree.

Which forward has been better/more consistent than Jarome Iginla over the past decade? The answer is probably.... nobody.

At the end of the day however I highly doubt that he will be considered by most as an all time great, which ultimately puts him a a notch below that stature. Whether that is deserved or not is another question all together.

Unfortunately his prime years cames during the lowest scoring era in hockey history. That alone will have a somewhat negative effect on how his career will be viewed in the future. He also lost a full season of his best hockey due to the previous lockout as well.

Hypothetically lets assume he plays five more seasons, and averages roughly 50 points a year. That would put him at approximately 1323 points for his career. Now if that was to come to fruition, then the season he lost to the lockout would have been the only reason why he would not have hit 1400 points for his career (which would rank him in the top 20 of all time)

I know that is making more than a handful of assumptions but when his career finally draws to a close, and you get an opportunity to look back on what he has accomplished, then maybe the "legend" title will not appear as out of reach as it is today.

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I somewhat disagree.

Which forward has been better/more consistent than Jarome Iginla over the past decade? The answer is probably.... nobody.

At the end of the day however I highly doubt that he will be considered by most as an all time great, which ultimately puts him a a notch below that stature. Whether that is deserved or not is another question all together.

Unfortunately his prime years cames during the lowest scoring era in hockey history. That alone will have a somewhat negative effect on how his career will be viewed in the future. He also lost a full season of his best hockey due to the previous lockout as well.

Hypothetically lets assume he plays five more seasons, and averages roughly 50 points a year. That would put him at approximately 1323 points for his career. Now if that was to come to fruition, then the season he lost to the lockout would have been the only reason why he would not have hit 1400 points for his career (which would rank him in the top 20 of all time)

I know that is making more than a handful of assumptions but when his career finally draws to a close, and you get an opportunity to look back on what he has accomplished, then maybe the "legend" title will not appear as out of reach as it is today.
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He's that next step down from Legend. There are only a few players that deserve that title. The only one currently playing is on his last legs in Jersey..
Outta current players I think you have to include Jagr as well.

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I read this thread as injury lol..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw_GGsASRo0&feature=plcp
R. Cervenka (1+2) leads Slavia in his first game this season to win 3:2 over Kladno in ELH

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R. Cervenka (1+2) leads Slavia in his first game this season to win 3:2 over Kladno in ELH
Nice! Really showed his passing abilities, how did he do in the other aspects of the game?

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whats the deal with Romans contract? if the NHL is locked out do we lose him altogether? im under the impression that his contract doesnt carry over

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I don't know that I would call Iginla a legend.
well NHL 2012 has jeremy ronick as a legend so........

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I read this thread as injury lol..
Just did the same...

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Nice! Really showed his passing abilities, how did he do in the other aspects of the game?
Well he was great, simply all over the place, playing with Vladimir Sobotka (St. Louis B.) and Jaroslav Kalla on his wings. He also played very well in the penalty kills. It was obvious that his skills are much over the level of the Czech league. (same as other players from NHL - Jagr, Plekanec, Tlusty and Zidlicky on the one side and Cervenka and Sobotka on the other)

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From what I saw, he was quite efficient in the corners for a guy an inch or two short of 6 feet. It will be interested to see if he can do the same against some better competition.

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Iginla's a HHOF, no doubt... but it doesn't make him a legend. He's definitely been elite, right now he's "damn good", but legendary IMO should be in the talk constantly for say, top 20 at thier position all time.

Lidstrom was legendary.
Brodeur is legendary.
Iginla... is not near these two players. At one point, he was considered "the best in the world" around the 2004 lockout. But that qualifies him for superstar, or elite only IMO. As someone who likes reading the HoH forums as well, there's no way that gang of guys would put Iginla as a legendary player... and they know their ****. I usually agree with them.
Jaromir Jagr and arguably Teemu Selanne, and Pavel Bure (HM to Marian Hossa, Martin St. Louis, and Daniel Alfredsson) are the only RWs who played during Iginla's career who match his greatness. He's a lock for the Hall and would be a top RW in any era. Legend? Perhaps, perhaps not. But certainly an amazing player.

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As an update on Cervenka he now has 8 points in 4 games in the Czech league and is tied for 2nd in the league for ppg only behind Plekanec. http://www.eliteprospects.com/league...ame=&order=PPG

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