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07-20-2012, 04:06 PM
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2012 CBJ Offseason Part III (Proposals, Speculations, Blog Rumors, etc. go here)

I evidently managed to get Post #1000 in the last thread unintentionally, so I'm making a replacement coffee pot thread. (Skraut got the last one, though)

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Meh. If the price is an 2nd, I wouldn't mind bringing back Jake. Especially considering that right now our RW depth chart consists of Derek Dorsett, Cam Atkinson, Jared Boll, and Harvey the Rabbit.

Is he ideal? Heck no. But we need top-6 RWs in the worst way.
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you do realize in the mains that the thread about offer-sheeting Voracek, the general consensus is that he won't sign for about 2 mill more than the value that is being talked about in this thread...
Keep piling on, y'all.

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I'd be fine bringing back Voracek if we could do it relatively cheap. That's doubtful though.

Changing gears slightly, anybody else getting a little anxious to see Ryan Murray signed? It was supposedly "not far off" a week ago. I know it'll happen, but I'd like for something other than Nash and offersheets to talk about.

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Interesting that the mains think Jake is a deal at 4 mill up to 5 a year.

If not for the compensation factor, I'd go 3.5,3.8,4.3 or something like that, maybe some bonuses but nothing higher.

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Interesting that the mains think Jake is a deal at 4 mill up to 5 a year.

If not for the compensation factor, I'd go 3.5,3.8,4.3 or something like that, maybe some bonuses but nothing higher.
Throw Philly a conditional 3rd rounder? That's on the low end. I suspect they'll want more than that.

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I see a huge letdown from Voracek when he goes from the heavily attended Flyers wifes carnivals back to an empty Nationwide Arena.

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Throw Philly a conditional 3rd rounder? That's on the low end. I suspect they'll want more than that.
I'm not sure what you mean here-for his rights?

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I see a huge letdown from Voracek when he goes from the heavily attended Flyers wifes carnivals back to an empty Nationwide Arena.
That I can buy. Philly has almost been the new "Hockeytown." They love their Flyers for sure.

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I'm not sure what you mean here-for his rights?
Yep, it might be cheaper in the long run than grossly overpaying him via offer sheet.

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Yep, it might be cheaper in the long run than grossly overpaying him via offer sheet.
Not sure how that would work with an RFA. He'd be ours with no chance of him walking until his UFA year.

Could we take him to arbitration? I think it is too late for that.

From Philly's perspective, I think even if they don't want him, would let someone offer him then take the compensation.

Kind of a goofy situation.

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Why would Philly do that?

I heard that with Pronger out due to injury they can pick up Weber's 7.8 million and still be 3.9 under the cap. Plenty enough to give Jake his needed raise to sign if they want him.

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I heard that with Pronger out due to injury they can pick up Weber's 7.8 million and still be 3.9 under the cap. Plenty enough to give Jake his needed raise to sign if they want him.
Assuming the cap stays where it is, which I don't think it will.

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Assuming the cap stays where it is, which I don't think it will.
NY Post is reporting NHL wants to deeply slash the salary cap next season. Of course it won't end up there, but I'm even more certain now, it's going down...

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Assuming the cap stays where it is, which I don't think it will.
If they lower the cap, they'll roll back salaries as well.

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If they lower the cap, they'll roll back salaries as well.
Dammit! You're probably right. I wish they couldn't roll back salaries, just the cap and the floor. The cap has gotten so high, it's almost like not having a cap at all - and that doesn't help Columbus competitively.

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Dammit! You're probably right. I wish they couldn't roll back salaries, just the cap and the floor. The cap has gotten so high, it's almost like not having a cap at all - and that doesn't help Columbus competitively.
If they didn't roll back salaries, it would be utter chaos. Cap teams would be ditching guys left and right. Maybe they could do it by the start of the following season.

The only way I see the economic imbalances being worked out is much more of a revenue sharing arrangement is in place.

I read somewhere how one guy would do it, involved giving visiting teams a portion of the gate among other things. Wish I'd have bookmarked it.

And the cap can't rise as fast as it does. Maybe add some of the extra revenue to the players pension plan or something.

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Was just reading another site and was reading the comments about Dale Tallon trading a 5th rounder for Casey Wellman.

The comment was:

"Low risk trade for Florida. Tallon is still building. Many of his moves are stop-gap. If they pay off, great, if not, little lost."

I think this is one (of many) areas) where Howson really falls down. Other than claiming Gilles off of waivers, I can't recall him making these kind of moves. Like taking a shot on Peter Mueller. Tallon did; Howson didn't.

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Interesting that the mains think Jake is a deal at 4 mill up to 5 a year.

If not for the compensation factor, I'd go 3.5,3.8,4.3 or something like that, maybe some bonuses but nothing higher.
Isn't he an RFA? Offer sheet him...

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If they lower the cap, they'll roll back salaries as well.
The answer lies in the vast nether that spans the un-communicated vision of the cap world in Don Fehr's mind and the collective egos of the leagues GM's

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The answer lies in the vast nether that spans the un-communicated vision of the cap world in Don Fehr's mind and the collective egos of the leagues GM's
Perhaps this is a glimpse into Fehr's thinking (from today's Dispatch):

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/conte...nhl-talks.html

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I think the professor has a great analysis of the situation. Too much revenue in some hands,not enough in others; offset by the owners saying "hey, wait a minute, we paid $x expecting $y in revenue and $z in profit.

One thing for sure is that the cap doesn't work out exactly "as intended".

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Interesting that the mains think Jake is a deal at 4 mill up to 5 a year.

If not for the compensation factor, I'd go 3.5,3.8,4.3 or something like that, maybe some bonuses but nothing higher.
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Isn't he an RFA? Offer sheet him...
Do you read posts before you reply?

The majority of the last umpteen posts have been talking about Jake as an RFA.

Even in the post you responded to I said I would go if not for the compensation factor. Implying that it was RFA compensation.


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Was just reading another site and was reading the comments about Dale Tallon trading a 5th rounder for Casey Wellman.

The comment was:

"Low risk trade for Florida. Tallon is still building. Many of his moves are stop-gap. If they pay off, great, if not, little lost."

I think this is one (of many) areas) where Howson really falls down. Other than claiming Gilles off of waivers, I can't recall him making these kind of moves. Like taking a shot on Peter Mueller. Tallon did; Howson didn't.


I'd like to reintroduce you to a guy by the name of Jan Hejda. Remember him?

How about that one guy picked off the scrap heap in Atlanta, y'know, Jason Williams. Helped the playoff push and then some. What did we give up to get him? Oh, yeah, an AHL point triggerman and that's it.

There's also this other guy we signed, name of Derek MacKenzie. How's he doing?

Oh, and there was some Russian we recently traded for, named Nikita Nikita or something...

Seriously, that's been his greatest strength, bar none, to a degree that that holds up well against any and every GM in the league. That's why Lori Schmidt calls him the Roster Ninja. He's damned impressive at those sorts of "pick off the scrap heap" pickups. It's anything above those - or, in some cases (Williams), retaining them afterward - where he tends to get the bulk of his criticism.

Sheesh!

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I'd like to reintroduce you to a guy by the name of Jan Hejda. Remember him?
I'll give you that one-even though it was what 4 or 5 years ago?

How about that one guy picked off the scrap heap in Atlanta, y'know, Jason Williams. Helped the playoff push and then some. What did we give up to get him? Oh, yeah, an AHL point triggerman and that's it.

Again yesterday's news

There's also this other guy we signed, name of Derek MacKenzie. How's he doing?

For a fourth liner not bad

Oh, and there was some Russian we recently traded for, named Nikita Nikita or something...

So far, so good

Seriously, that's been his greatest strength, bar none, to a degree that that holds up well against any and every GM in the league.

Especially Maloney in Phoenix and Tallon in Florida who rebuilt rosters in a couple of years or less and made the playoffs

That's why Lori Schmidt calls him the Roster Ninja. He's damned impressive at those sorts of "pick off the scrap heap" pickups. It's anything above those - or, in some cases (Williams), retaining them afterward - where he tends to get the bulk of his criticism.

I'll give you that he's made a couple of decent trades-but as far as being the maestro of free agency, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Which isn't unusual.

Sheesh!

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