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10-10-2012, 08:33 AM
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His numbers do take a severe hit in the postseason, and it seems like he's never productive in the clutch, even if statisticians tell us that clutch doesn't exist. His average with RISP is dreadful compared to when the bases are empty.

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10-10-2012, 09:16 AM
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55G, 7HR, 25 RBI, .233 AVG not counting his 2009 postseason. 20 HR and 74 RBIs over a 162 game season. That's just not good enough for someone that's supposed to be one of the greatest of all time.
Why are you excluding the 2009 postseason? That's part of the sample, and Arod was an instrumental part of winning the world series that year.

I can play this game too...let's exclude the 2010 and 2011 postseasons, a total of 16 games (2009 postseason was 15 games). Arod's 162 game average now goes to 39 HR, 105 RBI, .301 AVG. Wow that was informative!

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His numbers do take a severe hit in the postseason, and it seems like he's never productive in the clutch, even if statisticians tell us that clutch doesn't exist. His average with RISP is dreadful compared to when the bases are empty.
His numbers take a hit, but are still well above average in the postseason. I have no problem if people think Arod under performs a bit, but the notion that he is a choke artist is completely unfounded.

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10-10-2012, 10:04 AM
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fmasc, are you a yankee fan? If so, tell me straight up that you're comfortable with arod up at bat down 1, 2 outs, bottom 9th. You'd be alone on that opinion.

Hes the first guy ever to strike out to end a game in four separate playoff games. And yes, he performed well in 09, but pretty much every other year he has failed in the postseason.

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10-10-2012, 11:05 AM
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fmasc, are you a yankee fan? If so, tell me straight up that you're comfortable with arod up at bat down 1, 2 outs, bottom 9th. You'd be alone on that opinion.

Hes the first guy ever to strike out to end a game in four separate playoff games. And yes, he performed well in 09, but pretty much every other year he has failed in the postseason.
I am a big Yankee fan. I just trust facts more than the conventional wisdom.

Whether I feel comfortable with something is completely irrelevant. I don't feel comfortable with the navigation of the airplane that I'm on even though there is absolutely no reason to be worried. Does that mean it's a rational thought? No. Our comfort level, our emotions, are completely subjective and based on our own agendas, biases, and experiences. Arod is not a likable personality and is constantly derided for being a choker, so it's natural that many people will tend to view him as such and selectively highlight certain events in their brains because of that. The reverse happens, too. Derek Jeter has been a worse postseason hitter than Rodriguez, and has a TERRIBLE clutch score in the postseason. Yet you probably feel comfortable with him at the plate.

I'll stick to the facts. If you want to stay in the realm of conventional wisdom and subjective impressions that's up to you.


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10-10-2012, 12:17 PM
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when it comes to sports, i trust my eyes a lot more than i trust stats. I dont really care how these clutch ratings come to be because clutchness isnt really a measurable attribute.

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when it comes to sports, i trust my eyes a lot more than i trust stats. I dont really care how these clutch ratings come to be because clutchness isnt really a measurable attribute.
How is it not measurable? We can pretty easily define clutch situations (close and late, for example) and then analyze how batters perform in those situations.

The problem with you trusting your eyes is that you will selectively remember what you want to remember. Because of his home run against the Diamondbacks in 2001, which everyone remembers, Jeter will always be viewed as a clutch hitter in the playoffs. However, when you increase your analysis from just one event to all of his at bats in clutch situations, you realize he hasn't performed that well.

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lol arod is a bum. so funny that he doesn't get to bat in the bottom in the ninth down a run. huge hit by Raul, they still gotta win though.

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10-10-2012, 09:32 PM
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I heard Sterling give the batting order for the bottom of the ninth as I'm driving home (Ichiro, A-Rod, and I think Cano). I wasn't really paying attention since I'm not a Yankee fan but when I got in and turned on my TV I saw one out and Ibanez up, I was like wait a minute, did they actually PH A-Rod?! I was like hoo boy, I like Girardi's guts and bang...of course Ibanez - who's had a lot of big hits lately - ties it up.

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are you kidding me? raul is the man

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A-Rod has never been that clutch.

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2009.

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2009.

That said, RAUL!!!!

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10-10-2012, 10:16 PM
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Did they get rid of the homerun siren? I'm not a baseball fan but I always thought it was neat watching them play in long sleeve shirts as you can see their breath and hearing the siren go off. Pretty intimidating.

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Coming from a Red Sox fan, that was amazing.

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Raulllllll, that was unbelievable.

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The man who pinch hit for A-Rod tonight has done more in 2 AB's than A-Rod has done the past 2 post seasons

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Did Granderson even show up to the ball park tonight? He is brutal to watch. He strikes out in 3 straight pitches almost every at bat, but no one mentions him. Does Girardi dare put Gardner in center, Nix/Chavez at 3rd, and Raul at DH for next game? Doubtful, but I hope he does because it can't get much worse.

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10-10-2012, 11:03 PM
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Ibanez is the man. Who could have predicted he'd do that? Girardi made a brilliant move.

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I'm not a die hard baseball guy so be a little delicate. I follow it a little, but mostly just with my buddy when he comes over or I go to his place.

Does anyone think there is controversy with Rodriguez? Think the move to pinch hit him tonight has him pissed? I remember Posada being pissed about things last year. Can't remember what it was about really, but Girardi, and him were both being baited to see if there were problems between them.

Does anyone think Rodriguez days with the Yankees are numbered? Or is this blown out of proportion?

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10-10-2012, 11:35 PM
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The Posada thing actually went back to their playing days when they had issues (Posada was a young catcher when Girardi was still there), but also about the fact they didn't want Posada catching and didn't think he could play every day and Posada was a stubborn guy, like most top athletes are really.

The A-Rod thing is interesting because there's absolutely no way they can get rid of him at 5 years, 130 million or whatever it is left on his monster contract, and he already looks shot as a player. He can't say much cause the guy that got PH for him won the game single-handedly but still the whispers are going to start over whether he should be benched, period.

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I don't think he's going to be thrown off the team or anything. He'll be in the lineup next game, even if he's dropped down a bit.

If he's pissed about being subbed, he doesn't have the team's interests at heart. He probably wasn't going to hit those home runs, and Ibanez did. Simple as that.

If he's pissed, he can hit better and give Girardi the confidence to keep him in. Otherwise he should keep quiet.

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The Posada thing actually went back to their playing days when they had issues (Posada was a young catcher when Girardi was still there), but also about the fact they didn't want Posada catching and didn't think he could play every day and Posada was a stubborn guy, like most top athletes are really.

The A-Rod thing is interesting because there's absolutely no way they can get rid of him at 5 years, 130 million or whatever it is left on his monster contract, and he already looks shot as a player. He can't say much cause the guy that got PH for him won the game single-handedly but still the whispers are going to start over whether he should be benched, period.
Yeah I remember Girardi coming over to the Yankees, and Posada was the backup catcher. I remember when Girardi played for the Rockies before that haha.

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