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Hmmm, would Minnesota and Ottawa make good trading partners?

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01-20-2005, 07:56 PM
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Hmmm, would Minnesota and Ottawa make good trading partners?

To Ott: Andrew Brunette, Kyle Wanvig/Matt Foy, and _____???

To Minn: ________

Ottawa could use Brunette and Wanvig/Foy...but I don't know what Ottawa could give up for both of them and maybe a defenseman...

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01-20-2005, 08:40 PM
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What's with all the Ottawa proposals lately?

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What's with all the Ottawa proposals lately?
Surplus of talent that hasn't translated to a Cup winner. Figure that there are Otawa fans looking for the "missing piece" and other fans that think they might be able to secure their long-term future by getting Havlat, etc and giving Ottawa said missing piece.

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To Ott: Andrew Brunette, Kyle Wanvig/Matt Foy, and _____???

To Minn: ________

Ottawa could use Brunette and Wanvig/Foy...but I don't know what Ottawa could give up for both of them and maybe a defenseman...
Brunette and Wanvig just bring moe of what the Sens have already. They need another Mike Fisher type player, an O'neil or a Nash. Someone who can dig in, get garbage goals, take upo space in front of the net and preferably play the left wing.

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01-21-2005, 12:20 AM
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What about Daigle? :lol

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What about Daigle? :lol
Been there done that

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01-21-2005, 09:41 AM
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Can't see Ottawa using these guys. I don't think that these guys would earns spots in their top rotations. Therefore, Minn would be giving at least one player they'd like to keep, while Ottawa would not part with anything that Minnesota could use. Unless were talking prospects i.e. Vermette?

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01-21-2005, 10:48 AM
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we'll give you wanvig for a used puck bag

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01-21-2005, 11:00 AM
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we'll give you wanvig for a used puck bag

Well, we might need it later for groceries, (you try packing a Chara sized lunch) so we'll pass.

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01-21-2005, 11:27 AM
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What about Daigle? :lol
He's a RW

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01-21-2005, 11:31 AM
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Gaborik for Havlat


How's that...I'll just throw that noodle out there.

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Gaborik for Havlat


How's that...I'll just throw that noodle out there.
I certainly hope that the Havlat supporters don't use points as an indication of why they think he's better than Gaborik.

I'm not a fan of either team, but the truth is that if Gaborik played elsewhere on an offensive-minded team, he'd be absolutely unreal. He has better speed than Havlat(if there is such a thing), smoother with the puck, and a better shot. It could be argued that Havlat is better at stick-handling and has a bit more of a meanstreak to him, but I'll also take Gaborik defensively over Havlat too.

Gabs > Havs, IMO.

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Gaborik for Havlat


How's that...I'll just throw that noodle out there.

I thought Ottawa was looking for size,grit,toughness on lw?

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01-21-2005, 01:36 PM
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I thought Ottawa was looking for size,grit,toughness on lw?
Considering our only real natural LW is Peter Schaefer...I'll take just about anything on LW.

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I certainly hope that the Havlat supporters don't use points as an indication of why they think he's better than Gaborik.

I'm not a fan of either team, but the truth is that if Gaborik played elsewhere on an offensive-minded team, he'd be absolutely unreal. He has better speed than Havlat(if there is such a thing), smoother with the puck, and a better shot. It could be argued that Havlat is better at stick-handling and has a bit more of a meanstreak to him, but I'll also take Gaborik defensively over Havlat too.

Gabs > Havs, IMO.
Well...I'd have to agree that Gaborik > Havlat...but it's not THAT much.

Their differences between the two are minimal.

Keep in mind that Havlat has played all of his career on the Sens 3rd line for the most part.

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Well...I'd have to agree that Gaborik > Havlat...but it's not THAT much.

Their differences between the two are minimal.

Keep in mind that Havlat has played all of his career on the Sens 3rd line for the most part.
Gaborik is the "franchise" for the Wild. havlat would ne be the "franchise" for the Wild if it was the other way around.

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01-21-2005, 01:53 PM
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Gaborik is the "franchise" for the Wild. havlat would ne be the "franchise" for the Wild if it was the other way around.
What are you trying to say? a point per game player at his age couldn't be "the franchise" for the Wild?

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01-21-2005, 02:21 PM
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What are you trying to say? a point per game player at his age couldn't be "the franchise" for the Wild?
IT does not always matter about top points. Gaborik will provide a solid point base as well but he excels in many areas that Havlat will NOT.

Guys like Hedjuk, Havlat, Richards, Lang, Tangauy, etc will all get you very good points BUT they are not "franchise" players because of it. Wow, you cannot get that through your head.

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Guys like Hedjuk, Havlat, Richards, Lang, Tangauy, etc will all get you very good points BUT they are not "franchise" players because of it. Wow, you cannot get that through your head.
I'll respectfully disagree with you.

Also, what the heck is Robert Lang doing in that list!?! I consider Milan Hejduk, Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik to be franchise players... Alex Tanguay, Lang, and Marty Havlat aren't.

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I'll respectfully disagree with you.

Also, what the heck is Robert Lang doing in that list!?! I consider Milan Hejduk, Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik to be franchise players... Alex Tanguay, Lang, and Marty Havlat aren't.
OMG, read my post. All the guys like "Lang" I said were NOT franchise guys but will get very good points in a season. Please read next time.

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IT does not always matter about top points. Gaborik will provide a solid point base as well but he excels in many areas that Havlat will NOT.
such as?

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Maybe it's just me, but from an outside POV, I think Brunette would make a good acquisition for Ottawa insofar as it adds depth to the left side.

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such as?

I'd also like to know.

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such as?
And here comes the Ottawa fans to argue, cause Havlat has quickly become the best player in the league according to him.

- Gaborik is faster (won the fastest skating competion in the NHL)
- Plays better defense hockey (Hence the system he has learnt to play)
- Already is looked upon to lead a team. He is the "go-to guy" and has shown he can take the pressure and produce
- Has a better shot

I am also unsure but does Gaborik wear an "A" on his team?

The only thing Havlat really has better, as listed before was his stick handling. Gaborik may play on the top line but he also plays for a much more defensive team which limits his numbers yet he has two 30 goal seasons which is very impressive.

Gaborik > Havlat

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- Gaborik is faster (won the fastest skating competion in the NHL)
Did he compete directly against Havlat? The only player I know who's beaten him is Vermette.

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- Plays better defense hockey (Hence the system he has learnt to play)
Hmmm...the last two seasons...Havlat seems to have the better +/-. It could be said that those stats are inflated for both players because Minnie is highly defensive and Ottawa is highly offensive...so it balances out.

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- Already is looked upon to lead a team. He is the "go-to guy" and has shown he can take the pressure and produce
This is pure opinion...I've seen Havlat and Gaborik both take over games and do the same thing.

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- Has a better shot
Dunno...the stats show that Havlat's shooting percentage is quite a bit higher than Gab's the last two seasons.

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I am also unsure but does Gaborik wear an "A" on his team?
Who else do they have? Havlat would has the likes of Alfie, Redden, Chara, Phillips, Fisher, etc...ahead of him. Dunno if Gaborik would be an "A" in Ottawa either.

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The only thing Havlat really has better, as listed before was his stick handling. Gaborik may play on the top line but he also plays for a much more defensive team which limits his numbers yet he has two 30 goal seasons which is very impressive.
yeah...he has two 30 goal seasons..but their career totals are the same. both have 96...and Gaborik has played more games.

It could be said as well that Havlat is limited because he's the 3rd string RW on the Sens.


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Gaborik > Havlat
Now after everything I just threw out...I still agree with you. But I think I just had a bit of a relevation. It's only because he plays a position the Sens covet. LW.

But that's just me.

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