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08-29-2012, 05:27 PM
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Vanek and Kovalchuk on the same team just wouldn't be fair. I feel like he'd have fantastic chemistry with Elias as well. Both are very smart players with great vision. I would probably be willing to give up Zajac in a deal for Vanek.

As for Luke Adam, he's a fine prospect but between Henrique and Josefson we have enough young centers.

You can give us Marcus Foligno though
He's played Wing more than center in the past. He can be a corners guy that can also chip in a lot of points (refer to his AHLROY season). He's kind of fallen off since the draft but he's a big kid with good upside. I would add a little bit for Hank. Gerbe available as well. Smaller guy but also won AHLROY. He can snipe as well as be a shutdown guy with his speed.

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08-29-2012, 05:30 PM
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How well would Adam's game translate as a winger?
He's probably a better winger than center, tbqh. His speed isn't great for a center, and his defensive awareness isn't wowing anyone either, but he's a big body that can go in the corners and has a big shot. Most Sabres fans feel that he projects as a winger moreso than as a center at this point.

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08-29-2012, 05:33 PM
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Would do Luke Adam + Adam Pardy for Hank.

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He's played Wing more than center in the past. He can be a corners guy that can also chip in a lot of points (refer to his AHLROY season). He's kind of fallen off since the draft but he's a big kid with good upside. I would add a little bit for Hank. Gerbe available as well. Smaller guy but also won AHLROY. He can snipe as well as be a shutdown guy with his speed.
So you're saying Gerbe+Adam for Tallinder?

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So you're saying Gerbe+Adam for Tallinder?
Nope, probably your choice of either + Adam Pardy or something because we're stocked at D.

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Nope, probably your choice of either + Adam Pardy or something because we're stocked at D.
We can't take any defensemen, be it NHL or AHL.

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We can't take any defensemen, be it NHL or AHL.
Fine by me. I'm sure we can put Pardy the AHL to fill Morrisonn's role and trade either Leo or Sulzer for a pick or bottom 6 F or something. Adam or Gerbe + a 3rd is probably what I'd give for Hank. Gerbe has speed and pretty good defensive ability. Adam's more of a top 6 or bust whose shown quite a bit of promise before hitting a slump this year after being thrown in over his head centering Buffalo's top line.

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Fine by me. I'm sure we can put Pardy the AHL to fill Morrisonn's role and trade either Leo or Sulzer for a pick or bottom 6 F or something. Adam or Gerbe + a 3rd is probably what I'd give for Hank. Gerbe has speed and pretty good defensive ability. Adam's more of a top 6 or bust whose shown quite a bit of promise before hitting a slump this year after being thrown in over his head centering Buffalo's top line.
I like both for Tallinder.

Maybe Devils could throw in a mid-to-late pick.

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I like both for Tallinder.

Maybe Devils could throw in a mid-to-late pick.
Values just not there for both, especially because we don't have a surplus of wingers. Plus they're both very young, while Hank, not so much. You could get both if you threw in a wing as well. I honestly wouldn't mind having Dainius back. But thats 2 very "seasoned" players for two spring chickens so idk they do this, interesting thought though.

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08-29-2012, 07:18 PM
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I'm not sure all the extra bodies are necessary.

The original proposal for Luke Adam + 2nd seems fair to me.
That's something I'd do.

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08-29-2012, 10:31 PM
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Matt D'Agostini for Henrik Tallinder seems like a good hockey deal to me. Thoughts?
Both of these interest me. Bourque would do well in DeBoer's forechecking scheme, I think. D'Agostini could do well with an opportunity in the Devils' top 6, and he'll probably be better than Sykora.

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No responses the first time I asked so...Any interest in Luke Adam + a midround pick (let's say a 3rd) for Tallinder? I think having him back in Buffalo would do wonders for us as a team. Tallinder-Myers was a tremendous pairing for us, and having that and Regehr-Sekera as shutdown pairs would leave Ehrhoff lots of easier minutes and offensive starts to just focus on creating offense.
I do like Luke Adam, but I'm curious why Sabres fans are surprisingly willing to part with him of late?

Whatever the case, I'd do the Luke Adam and Adam Pardy for Tallinder deal for the simple reason that the Devils are entering the era of Adams (Larsson, Henrique) and need to stockpile as many as possible.

Seriously though, Luke Adam and a second 2013 works for me.

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08-29-2012, 10:32 PM
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i'd definitely trade Tallinder for Macarthur at this point. He seems like the exact kind of player we should be targeting.

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Both of these interest me. Bourque would do well in DeBoer's forechecking scheme, I think. D'Agostini could do well with an opportunity in the Devils' top 6, and he'll probably be better than Sykora.



I do like Luke Adam, but I'm curious why Sabres fans are surprisingly willing to part with him of late?

Whatever the case, I'd do the Luke Adam and Adam Pardy for Tallinder deal for the simple reason that the Devils are entering the era of Adams (Larsson, Henrique) and need to stockpile as many as possible.

Seriously though, Luke Adam and a second 2013 works for me.
Its just because he's become expendable, and when someone is expendable, he'll be offered in trades on HFBoards. But really, after this years draft, we don't need him as a center, and he just doesn't fit into our wing plans right now. Maybe in a few years when contracts like Vanek and Pominville are expiring we could implement him well. But as of right now, we've got the wings pretty much covered and he doesn't really provide the upgrade we need anywhere.

Hank however would fit very well back with Myers, giving us three very solid D lines of those two, Ehrhoff-Sulzer, and Sekera-Regehr. This trade sounds great to me, I hope Darcy is paying attention.

EDIT: I think this proposal should have a thread of its own.

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08-29-2012, 11:08 PM
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Its just because he's become expendable, and when someone is expendable, he'll be offered in trades on HFBoards. But really, after this years draft, we don't need him as a center, and he just doesn't fit into our wing plans right now. Maybe in a few years when contracts like Vanek and Pominville are expiring we could implement him well. But as of right now, we've got the wings pretty much covered and he doesn't really provide the upgrade we need anywhere.

Hank however would fit very well back with Myers, giving us three very solid D lines of those two, Ehrhoff-Sulzer, and Sekera-Regehr. This trade sounds great to me, I hope Darcy is paying attention.

EDIT: I think this proposal should have a thread of its own.
Pretty much this. Luke's caught in a numbers game where it looks like he'll be the odd man out. We have 4 other young centers, 2 of whom also have experience at LW, and another young LW in Foligno. He's not going to push Vanek or Leino out of their spots right now (even if with Leino it's just because burying his contract so soon after signing him would look awful), and there are plenty of other guys who will vying for those spots in the near future.


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i'd definitely trade Tallinder for Macarthur at this point. He seems like the exact kind of player we should be targeting.
We don't need third liners. we need top 6. He's a third liner and had a horrible season.

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I think I like the Bourque deal the best, since the Devils can afford his contract. He could replace Ponikarovsky quite nicely I think.

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For the Buffalo fans, do you think Adam could play third line minutes next season? I know he started strong but fizzled out, played fourth line, and then got sent down.

I would definitely do an Adam+2nd for Tallinder deal. Gives us another piece to fight for a top six spot and Adam could certainly play alongside Josefson and Clarkson/Butler on the third line.

EDIT: I'd also be fine with the Bourque deal, but I'd like a conditional pick for him. Something like 50+ points, no pick. 50-35 points 4th round pick, 35-20 3rd round pick, less than 20 points, 2nd round pick.

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Pretty much this. Luke's caught in a numbers game where it looks like he'll be the odd man out. We have 4 other young centers, 2 of whom also have experience at LW, and another young LW in Foligno. He's not going to push Vanek or Leino out of their spots right now (even if with Leino it's just because burying his contract so soon after signing him would look awful), and there are plenty of other guys who will vying for those spots in the near future.
Ok, fair enough. Adam definitely has talent, you just don't have room for him. If he can become a Zubrus-lite I'd be very interested in him.

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I think I like the Bourque deal the best, since the Devils can afford his contract. He could replace Ponikarovsky quite nicely I think.
The Devils are way under the cap, it's not a question of being able to afford anybody. The money problems aren't that bad.

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I do like Luke Adam, but I'm curious why Sabres fans are surprisingly willing to part with him of late?

Whatever the case, I'd do the Luke Adam and Adam Pardy for Tallinder deal for the simple reason that the Devils are entering the era of Adams (Larsson, Henrique) and need to stockpile as many as possible.

Seriously though, Luke Adam and a second 2013 works for me.
Between Hodgson/Grigorenko/Girgensons there's really no room for Adam in the Sabre's long-term center plan. He's a short-term stop gap with Roy being shipped out, then he's likely trade bait.

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Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville
Foligno - Ennis - Stafford

Where does Gerbe fit in?
He's too small to put on the same line as Ennis, and Vanek/Pominville are basically locks on the 1st.. so he doesn't fit in their top 6 at all.

Would a Gerbe for Tallinder swap work?


Note: I don't know Gerbe's value, so if it's way off, i apologize, lol

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I, as a Devils fan, would prefer Adam over Gerbe.

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Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville
Foligno - Ennis - Stafford

Where does Gerbe fit in?
He's too small to put on the same line as Ennis, and Vanek/Pominville are basically locks on the 1st.. so he doesn't fit in their top 6 at all.

Would a Gerbe for Tallinder swap work?


Note: I don't know Gerbe's value, so if it's way off, i apologize, lol
Gerbe isn't a top 6er for us. He's one of the forwards that is generally used to slow down the opposing team's top lines.

Gerbe for Tallinder isn't necessarily bad value for us, but we don't have a lot of defensively-solid forwards (Pominville....Kaleta...........a couple on their way) so I don't think Gerbe is really all that available in a trade like this.

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Adam + 2nd for Tallinder

think that is great asset management for NJ

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Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville
Foligno - Ennis - Stafford

Where does Gerbe fit in?
He's too small to put on the same line as Ennis, and Vanek/Pominville are basically locks on the 1st.. so he doesn't fit in their top 6 at all.

Would a Gerbe for Tallinder swap work?


Note: I don't know Gerbe's value, so if it's way off, i apologize, lol
Gerbe plays a 4th line/energy/defensive role. He and Kaleta generally lead Sabres forwards in D-zone shift starts. Adam seems like a better fit for NJ, and Gerbe's a bit of a fan favorite for Buffalo anyway (because he's tiny and fearless and was a beast in our 10-11 playoff push).

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The Devils are way under the cap, it's not a question of being able to afford anybody. The money problems aren't that bad.
I didn't mention there being a problem with affording him, I said that because the most common knock against Bourque that I've heard is that he's overpaid.

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