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08-31-2012, 05:08 PM
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Coyotes and Flyers

Since the Coyotes/Flyer proposals centered around top 2 dmen for top 6 forwards seem to fall prey to pissing matches, I thought I'd try a trade excluding those players from the equation....so forget about Yandle, ELO, Couturier, & Schenn.

Matt Read would seem to be a great fit for a Dave Tippett coached team.....Unless David Rundblad has some insane hockey sense, which I haven't seen...I expect him to be more of an Oleg Tverdovsky than the next Erik Karlsson.

Rundblad for Read.

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08-31-2012, 05:12 PM
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Phoenix would need to add.

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Phoenix would need to add.
Seriously?!

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Phoenix would need to add.


Thanks, I needed that after the NHLPA press conference.

It's not exactly what Philly is after (they need a "now" defenseman), but that doesn't mean Phoenix has to pay extra.

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Phoenix would need to add.
The expression "You're Doing it Wrong" would definitely apply here.

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Rundblad hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet. Flyers need immediate help. I don't see the point in this.

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Flyers add a LOT.

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Seriously?!
While I understand the reaction, particularly based on the Turris deal, I don't think he's wrong.

Read is a very good and, equally important, very cheap middle-six forward. Even if he never improves on his rookie season, he's an incredible value at 900k, particularly if the cap comes down significantly without easy offsets.

Unless the deal was a bit bigger, and included some salary going Phoenix's way, and a cheap replacement forward coming back, I can't see how the Flyers could swap Read for Rundblad--even if the value was fair.

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Rundblad hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet. Flyers need immediate help. I don't see the point in this.
Fair enough, sticking with my original thought then, is there a deal to be made for Read around Morris, Klesla, or Schlemko?

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Fair enough, sticking with my original thought then, is there a deal to be made for Read around Morris, Klesla, or Schlemko?
Hell no for Klesla.

I'd think about it for Schlemko/Stone

Yes I would do Read for NHL player Derek Morris.

Also we'd like to keep Rundblad he will be OEL's partner for a great number of years.

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Fair enough, sticking with my original thought then, is there a deal to be made for Read around Morris, Klesla, or Schlemko?
Morris or Schlemko, yes...

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So... a top prospect comes over and doesn't dazzle his first season on NA ice? And now he's barely worth ****? Really?

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So... a top prospect comes over and doesn't dazzle his first season on NA ice? And now he's barely worth ****? Really?
This is a forum not real GM's discussing values of players, Maloney is a smart GM he turned PHX around 180 from the horrible Gretzky days he wont panic and trade one of our top prospects for a little offensive help.

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So... a top prospect comes over and doesn't dazzle his first season on NA ice? And now he's barely worth ****? Really?
Matt Read had 24 goals last season, on a 900,000 contract.

Matt Read = ****.

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So... a top prospect comes over and doesn't dazzle his first season on NA ice? And now he's barely worth ****? Really?
You're taking my response out of context. Re-read it. I didn't mention anything about how valuable or how much potential he has. I stated that he hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet and the Flyers are in need of a player that has. Simple as that.

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Matt Read had 24 goals last season, on a 900,000 contract.

Matt Read = ****.

Sigh.
Read was a 26 yr old rookie, not one that is 19/20 he was physically mature, played sheltered 3rd line minutes and given PP time on a Philly teams that loves to score, he won't do so well on a team like Phoenix where we preach defend first, try to score when the other team makes a mistake, sorry if im a little worried to trade a 21 yr old who light up the SEL, but had a little trouble adjusting to the NA ice for a soon to be 27 yr old sophmore.

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Read was a 26 yr old rookie, not one that is 19/20 he was physically mature, played sheltered 3rd line minutes and given PP time on a Philly teams that loves to score, he won't do so well on a team like Phoenix where we preach defend first, try to score when the other team makes a mistake, sorry if im a little worried to trade a 21 yr old who light up the SEL, but had a little trouble adjusting to the NA ice for a soon to be 27 yr old sophmore.
soon to be 27 year old sophmore? I guess June is soon.

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soon to be 27 year old sophmore? I guess June is soon.
My mistake sorry, you are correct I remembered reading, that his birthday was in December should have looked it up.

But again for Read I would trade someone like, Morris/Schlemko/Stone/Summers not a Rundblad/Gormley/Murphy

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So... a top prospect comes over and doesn't dazzle his first season on NA ice? And now he's barely worth ****? Really?
As far as I know, only one person is questioning Rundblad's value....me. I'm in the minority, but I watched as the heralded Oleg Tversdovsky came along with super forward prospect Chad Kilger....and saw plenty of "Let go my Oleg". I see another Tversdovsky.

I guess I also 'over'-value 20 goals scorers who've earn their way like Read, who I believe is underrated when compared to his younger rookie teammates, and should have been given more pub in the Calder race. Does he not play in all situations?

back on topic....point is...my opinion is in the minority. I'd trade Rundblad for Read...that's all I'm sayin.



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But again for Read I would trade someone like, Morris/Schlemko/Stone/Summers not a Rundblad/Gormley/Murphy
I don't rate Rundblad near Gormley, Murphy is still an unknown at this point. I see Gormley as part of the reason Rundblad will never get the icetime to meet his potential. Those other prospects just aren't enough and I'm looking for a simple 1 for 1 type deal.

You know what make it a 2 for 1...there you go... Chris Summers and Mike Stone for Read. Debatable over payment by Coyotes, but Rundblad is a can't miss , and how many other d prospects do the Coyotes still have?


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08-31-2012, 07:20 PM
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Read was a 26 yr old rookie, not one that is 19/20 he was physically mature, played sheltered 3rd line minutes and given PP time on a Philly teams that loves to score, he won't do so well on a team like Phoenix where we preach defend first, try to score when the other team makes a mistake, sorry if im a little worried to trade a 21 yr old who light up the SEL, but had a little trouble adjusting to the NA ice for a soon to be 27 yr old sophmore.
I didn't question the value--in a vacuum, I think Read + a mid-round pick is fair for Rundblad, but I'm sure other fans will disgree, one way or the other. What I did take issue with was the implication that Matt Read was ****.

The points you made are all valid--though, judging by your characterization, I'm guessing that you didn't watch him much (he was one of the Flyers primary penalty killers; he's a pretty good two-way player who would fit in well in Tippett's system).

Matt Read's value isn't in his potential to improve--which is probably why he isn't well regarded on HF. He's probably a finished product--but that doesn't mean he isn't great value on his current contract.

Anyway, I admired the OP's effort. In the abstract, the two teams would seem to have something to offer each other. With the uncertainty around the salary cap, though, I don't think the Flyers can let go of one of their best "value" players.

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Super answer jeh82. Agree whole heartedly. And dont forget Read is super in the shootout ))))

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I'm confused...obviously.....carry on.

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The Flyers are not desperate enough to consider trading Read. They will look at free agents to resolve any issues with their defense. They will decide what to do after the CBA gets ratified. It's not likely that the Coyotes will trade anyone until after the CBA is implemented.

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soon to be 27 year old sophmore? I guess June is soon.
Don't worry. When he's 27 he'll watch the parade in Pittsburgh.

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Super answer jeh82. Agree whole heartedly. And dont forget Read is super in the shootout ))))
And the Flyers need all the help they can get on shootouts haha

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