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Under New Proposal CAP to drop to 58M

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08-29-2012, 11:21 AM
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The player aren't stupid and aren't going to accept a roll back with-out a fight, this is the easiest solution.
What's the solution? What the league is proposing is a rollback, only difference is they'll pay out the money first and then get it back when they settle the escrow account at the end of the season. This proposal isnt a solution, it isnt really all that different than what they had already propsed they've just dressed it up a bit.

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08-29-2012, 11:28 AM
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Instead of reducing salary the league can just reduce cap hits of every player signed by whatever percent needed. Very simple, they get paid what they signed for and the cap situation is fixed.
Doesn't really get at the purpose of the roll back, which is to help financially strapped teams.

A much better way to go about it would be to roll back to 65 (possibly 63-64) this year, then 62 the next, then slowly increase again. This would at the very least be a realistic cap goal for every team to meet....it would screw over Doan though. He really should have cashed in when he had the chance.

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08-29-2012, 11:31 AM
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People asking why the owners would be down with this are silly. Look the the numbers.

There are 16 of 30 teams that are under this number. All they need is majority approval. Why does Florida care if Boston is screwed? They don't

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Doesn't really get at the purpose of the roll back, which is to help financially strapped teams.

A much better way to go about it would be to roll back to 65 (possibly 63-64) this year, then 62 the next, then slowly increase again. This would at the very least be a realistic cap goal for every team to meet....it would screw over Doan though. He really should have cashed in when he had the chance.
If it was only about the money for Doan he would have signed somewhere long before now IMO.. It's pretty obvious returning to the Coyotes is what he wants to do.

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This is exactly why nobody has traded for Luongo yet. They're waiting for him to be less than worthless.

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That doesn't mean the union won't fight for them.
Players like Gomez will be quietly disposed of by the union before a vote is held. There will be much rejoicing in Montreal.

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People asking why the owners would be down with this are silly. Look the the numbers.

There are 16 of 30 teams that are under this number. All they need is majority approval. Why does Florida care if Boston is screwed? They don't
16 are over...

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08-29-2012, 11:44 AM
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Gomez to the AHL. I would love this reduction in cap from a Habs POV. It more than justifies burying Gomez.

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08-29-2012, 11:46 AM
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People asking why the owners would be down with this are silly. Look the the numbers.

There are 16 of 30 teams that are under this number. All they need is majority approval. Why does Florida care if Boston is screwed? They don't
Agreed. Also, under the NHLPA proposal the rich teams would distribute wealth to the poor teams. Under the new NHL proposal the rich teams would bury under-performing players in the AHL to get under the cap and not have to distribute the wealth (as much as was proposed). The buried player still gets his $$$. Everyone should be happy. Its genius from an NHL perspective.

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Let's not confuse Burke with forward thinking. The Leafs had limited options to begin with. They werent in on any of the big boys except for Schultz and that was more or less in a window shopping capacity. We acquired JVR and that's a lot more than most teams did this summer.

The Leafs being in a good position (if the cap goes down to 58) has little to do with Burke planning on it.
It has everything to do with it. Same with Sherman. Both these guys prepped themselves for the worst in the face of an expiring CBA. The Leafs normally spend to the cap, the last few seasons wasn't the case. Notice he hasn't been in on any of the top FA the last few summers (except for Richards who wasn't getting the sort of deal in Toronto he was getting in NY). We could agree to disagree though.

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This is exactly why nobody has traded for Luongo yet.
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Gomez to the AHL. I would love this reduction in cap from a Habs POV. It more than justifies burying Gomez.
Except we have a lot of prospects who will be playing there next year who need spots. I think I would throw up if Bournival's development was altered in any way because he had to play behind Gomez.

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08-29-2012, 11:53 AM
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Meh. Minnesota is fine. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just mad at the team for picking up the two biggest FAs this year. They've been fine and they have been thinking forward.

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And this is why Brian Burke has made very few moves this offseason. He did his homework and knew there was a possibility of the cap dropping without an equal rollback, if any at all.


If you actually think Burke planned this out, just no. Leaf fans finding any way they can to pump their GM's tires. It just happens so that TO is not an attractive place for FA's right now so he couldn't even land any big fish, even if he tried. If the cap goes down it was completely a coincidence.

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Except we have a lot of prospects who will be playing there next year who need spots. I think I would throw up if Bournival's development was altered in any way because he had to play behind Gomez.
You could always demote Gomez to the ECHL. Or make him a 4th line forward on the Bulldogs. If anything, his veteran presence on the Bulldogs (and general good attitude) may help with the development of the young prospects.

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16 are over...
You think the Rangers would care about shedding 500k, while making Philly shed 8m, Boston 10m, Pittsburgh 3m ect?

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You could always demote Gomez to the ECHL. Or make him a 4th line forward on the Bulldogs. If anything, his veteran presence on the Bulldogs (and general good attitude) may help with the development of the young prospects.

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He can be loaned to Europe as well! Perfect 3rd liner for your Irish league team!

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Meh. Minnesota is fine. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just mad at the team for picking up the two biggest FAs this year. They've been fine and they have been thinking forward.
I would love to see how you came to that conclusion with 1.5 or so in cap space.

How do you figue minny is going to fare if there was no rollback?

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08-29-2012, 12:11 PM
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You think the Rangers would care about shedding 500k, while making Philly shed 8m, Boston 10m, Pittsburgh 3m ect?
The Rangers would probably like to have ~10 million in capspace, though.

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I would love to see how you came to that conclusion with 1.5 or so in cap space.

How do you figue minny is going to fare if there was no rollback?
Worst comes to worst they can trade Suter for 3 1st round picks or more. They also have other assets they can trade for picks/prospects. For instance, a front-loaded Heatley with 2 more years on his contract would attact many takers. 11 million dollars in actual salary and 14 million in cap hit over 2 years is a very attractive contract for a still very capable forward.

Minny comes out ahead with these signings in all scenarios. They got two all star players just going into their primes for nothing.

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People asking why the owners would be down with this are silly. Look the the numbers.

There are 16 of 30 teams that are under this number. All they need is majority approval. Why does Florida care if Boston is screwed? They don't
Well you're silly too if you think that the owners of teams above the cap do anything but laugh and highfive bettman.

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08-29-2012, 12:29 PM
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Worst comes to worst they can trade Suter for 3 1st round picks or more. They also have other assets they can trade for picks/prospects. For instance, a front-loaded Heatley with 2 more years on his contract would attact many takers. 11 million dollars in actual salary and 14 million in cap hit over 2 years is a very attractive contract for a still very capable forward.

Minny comes out ahead with these signings in all scenarios. They got two all star players just going into their primes for nothing.
Suter is not worth three first round picks. You would never get that type of value for him.

Where would you expect Heatley to be traded? Does he still have a NTC since he was traded to Minnasota? Moving players when in a time of salary cap hell is not easy to do, especially getting full return for them. Trust me I know, I am a Flyers fan.

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Suter is not worth three first round picks. You would never get that type of value for him.

Where would you expect Heatley to be traded? Does he still have a NTC since he was traded to Minnasota? Moving players when in a time of salary cap hell is not easy to do, especially getting full return for them. Trust me I know, I am a Flyers fan.
Yes he is. Coming from an Oiler fan. I would give three 1st's for Suter, because he is that good.

Suter ~ Weber. Just ask Nashville fans, or any fan from the West.

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And that's why Burke's been managing the Leafs like a small market team.

Smart.


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If you actually think Burke planned this out, just no. Leaf fans finding any way they can to pump their GM's tires. It just happens so that TO is not an attractive place for FA's right now so he couldn't even land any big fish, even if he tried. If the cap goes down it was completely a coincidence.
Actually...your Burke hate is a little premature, if you listened to alot of interviews, you'd hear he has actually forcasted this very scenario.

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I would love to see how you came to that conclusion with 1.5 or so in cap space.

How do you figue minny is going to fare if there was no rollback?
Bouchard is pretty much done in the NHL. He's had how many concussions in the past 4 years? He retires or they throw him in the minors. Cullen and Backstrom too. Just pushes up the development of three players but that's not a huge deal. Hackett shown he can play in the NHL. They are high on Coyle, Larsson, Granlund, Phillips, and Zucker and in fact, there was some grumblings one or two of them could be pushing the veterans out. Not to mention, Cullen, Backstrom and Bouchard are on the last year of their contracts. We also free up almost a million from a contract buyout from Barker at the end of this year.

After that Heatley, Setoguchi, Gilbert, Powe, Konopka, Parrish's buyout comes off the book.

In the next two years the only two players that maybe see a significant raise on the roster? Seto and Clutter but even then they are replaceable.

After this year, Minnesota will be shedding a lot of money. This year might be a bit tighter but it's extremely doable.

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