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10-24-2013, 04:45 PM
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Spezza is on pace for 100 points, 70 goals lol, and Turris 70 points.

That's cray cray for even the small sample size. I would be very happy if they continued at 80% of this pace which is about expectations IMO. (80 and 56 points)

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10-24-2013, 05:43 PM
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I assume you are only going by points since Turris is better than both Spezza & Ryan defensively. I'm also not so sure that Spezza always plays against the other team's best defensive unit, they often line up top line against top line. Turris plays a 200' game while the other two are still wondering where the defensive zone is that coaches keep talking about.
I think your prejudice is clouding your judgment (or you're not watching). Especially against Detroit Spezza has been very good defensively this year (minus one bad pinch, oh my!) He was hustling all game, skating back hard into the defensive zone and has been money on the penalty kill so far this year.

It's ok though, people can keep going with the fabrication that Spezza is a one-dimensional giveaway machine.

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10-24-2013, 05:55 PM
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I think your prejudice is clouding your judgment (or you're not watching). Especially against Detroit Spezza has been very good defensively this year (minus one bad pinch, oh my!) He was hustling all game, skating back hard into the defensive zone and has been money on the penalty kill so far this year.

It's ok though, people can keep going with the fabrication that Spezza is a one-dimensional giveaway machine.
Or your enthousiasm for him is clouding yours. He did play well defensively against Detroit but up to that game I didn't think he had been playing as well defensively this yr. A number of people were complaning about him during the western road trip, remember? How the Turris line was becoming the defacto #1 line. I didn't buy that myself & we have seen him play well defensively in some games, he needs to be more consistent & I think he can be.

What does that mean money on the PK? What has he done on the PK to say he is money? I don't think it's frabication when it seems to be a well known fact, we've heard it all his career. I will say this, I think Greening & Michalek are a good fit with him because they are defensively responsible & both very fast skaters, they also make a formidable line with size.

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10-24-2013, 06:05 PM
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10-24-2013, 06:09 PM
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I think your prejudice is clouding your judgment (or you're not watching). Especially against Detroit Spezza has been very good defensively this year (minus one bad pinch, oh my!) He was hustling all game, skating back hard into the defensive zone and has been money on the penalty kill so far this year.

It's ok though, people can keep going with the fabrication that Spezza is a one-dimensional giveaway machine.
Spezza's been outshot heavily all year despite getting very high o-zone starts, and he's been on the ice for more goals-against than any other Ottawa forward at 5v5 (He's been on for 7 goals against. Michalek is 2nd at 6, and then Condra, Smith, Neil, and Ryan at 4).

He makes up for it with his scoring, but you can't argue that he's been very good defensively this year. Hell, Detroit was probably his best game since Buffalo, and he still got killed in possession and Ferraro even highlighted some clear defensive miscues he made that led to scoring chances against.

Like I said earlier, his ability to score more than makes up for it, but it's really tough to pretend that Spez' has been a good defensive player this year.

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10-24-2013, 06:11 PM
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Spezza's been outshot heavily all year despite getting very high o-zone starts, and he's been on the ice for more goals-against than any other Ottawa forward at 5v5 (He's been on for 7 goals against. Michalek is 2nd at 6, and then Condra, Smith, Neil, and Ryan at 4).

He makes up for it with his scoring, but you can't argue that he's been very good defensively this year. Hell, Detroit was probably his best game since Buffalo, and he still got killed in possession and Ferraro even highlighted some clear defensive miscues he made that led to scoring chances against.

Like I said earlier, his ability to score more than makes up for it, but it's really tough to pretend that Spez' has been a good defensive player this year.
Agreed. Spezza is putting in effort, he just doesn't execute well enough and tends to forget his defensive assignments.

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10-29-2013, 11:50 PM
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11 points in 12 games.


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10-29-2013, 11:52 PM
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10-29-2013, 11:52 PM
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Let me start off by saying I love spezza.

But I really miss turris and zibanejad being our top 2 centers. I guess a game like tonight's really made me realize that.

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10-29-2013, 11:55 PM
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Let me start off by saying I love spezza.

But I really miss him and zibanejad being our top 2 centers. I guess a game like tonight's really made me realize that.
I agree. I don't want to talk negatively about Spezza an I know he was just name captain and all, but I feel fine with Turris and Zib as our top 2 centres

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10-29-2013, 11:56 PM
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I agree. I don't want to talk negatively about Spezza an I know he was just name captain and all, but I feel fine with Turris and Zib as our top 2 centres
I like Turris...but who else here remembers how downhill his season went when Spezza went down with injuries and he had to deal with the toughest assignments?

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Let me start off by saying I love spezza.

But I really miss turris and zibanejad being our top 2 centers. I guess a game like tonight's really made me realize that.
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I agree. I don't want to talk negatively about Spezza an I know he was just name captain and all, but I feel fine with Turris and Zib as our top 2 centres

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I like Turris...but who else here remembers how downhill his season went when Spezza went down with injuries and he had to deal with the toughest assignments?
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Look at how downhill the season is going because Spezza is dealing with the tough assignments.


Turris went through a goal scoring slump. That's it. Looking at the season as a whole, he was the team's best defensive forward and he led the team in scoring. Therefore he was the best forward on the team and arguably the best skater.

The team that he was the best skater on made the playoffs.

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10-30-2013, 12:03 AM
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I like Turris...but who else here remembers how downhill his season went when Spezza went down with injuries and he had to deal with the toughest assignments?
With a legit #1 winger like ryan, I don't think turris struggles as hard as he did in that stretch last season.


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Saying that made me feel sick. But I would take the 200 ft simple game they played last season as opposed to the fast pace run and gun 2 years ago.

This might be blasphemes but look at boston when they traded thornton away and went with bergeron.

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Turris would suffer if spezza wasn't here

He still gets pushed around easily still needs more strength

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10-30-2013, 12:07 AM
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I like Turris...but who else here remembers how downhill his season went when Spezza went down with injuries and he had to deal with the toughest assignments?
That ****ing made no sense. He was our best defensive forward and our best offensive forward. Due to that the team as a whole had a great year and we made the playoffs.

Turris is a 60pt player at most with an excellent 2-way play and he was on pace for that last year.

If Turris could score 80 point, then he will be in the elite class with Crosby's and Toew's and Datsyuk's, making 8mill, at least.

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10-30-2013, 12:12 AM
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Turris will score 60-70 points this season, only if he plays against secondary defence , otherwise its not happening

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10-30-2013, 12:19 AM
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Turris started the year with four goals in his first four games. He didn't score against Pittsburgh, and went 4G 5GP.

Spezza goes down. He goes on a 21 goal-drought. He scores three goals in three games and then goes 13 games without a goal. I realize everyone was struggling, but Turris wasn't great offensively at all. Not close to good enough for a #1 centre.

Turris is the perfect #2 centre. He's great defensively and awesome at scoring when he's not the focal point of other teams to shut down. Spezza has seven goals and is over a point per game playing with scrubs and the main focal point teams are trying to shut down. Turris is providing awesome secondary scoring. I don't get why we can't be happy with it the way it is now.

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10-30-2013, 12:26 AM
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Saying that made me feel sick. But I would take the 200 ft simple game they played last season as opposed to the fast pace run and gun 2 years ago.

This might be blasphemes but look at boston when they traded thornton away and went with bergeron.
This. I'd rather win a game 1-0 than win 6-5.

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Turris started the year with four goals in his first four games. He didn't score against Pittsburgh, and went 4G 5GP.

Spezza goes down. He goes on a 21 goal-drought. He scores three goals in three games and then goes 13 games without a goal. I realize everyone was struggling, but Turris wasn't great offensively at all. Not close to good enough for a #1 centre.

Turris is the perfect #2 centre. He's great defensively and awesome at scoring when he's not the focal point of other teams to shut down. Spezza has seven goals and is over a point per game playing with scrubs and the main focal point teams are trying to shut down. Turris is providing awesome secondary scoring. I don't get why we can't be happy with it the way it is now.
Because the team is losing and looking awful. Like it or not, Spezza is part of the reason why.

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10-30-2013, 12:44 AM
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Best forward on the team right now, not sure it's close.

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10-30-2013, 02:01 AM
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Turris started the year with four goals in his first four games. He didn't score against Pittsburgh, and went 4G 5GP.

Spezza goes down. He goes on a 21 goal-drought. He scores three goals in three games and then goes 13 games without a goal. I realize everyone was struggling, but Turris wasn't great offensively at all. Not close to good enough for a #1 centre.

Turris is the perfect #2 centre. He's great defensively and awesome at scoring when he's not the focal point of other teams to shut down. Spezza has seven goals and is over a point per game playing with scrubs and the main focal point teams are trying to shut down. Turris is providing awesome secondary scoring. I don't get why we can't be happy with it the way it is now.
THIS, All though i feel like were Rolling a 1A and 1B system for centers instead of a #1C and #2C which is perfect since we do have two number 1 centers

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Remember that last season was a more of a defensive system and he didn't have Ryan on his wing or Karlsson getting him the puck.

Spezza is just meh 5 on 5 this season. Turris's all around game is simply better imo.

According to behindthenet, Turris is playing tougher competition than Spezza this season.

I expect to be flamed for saying this.

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10-30-2013, 02:33 AM
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If Spezza and Michalek and even Ryan was playing like Turris. We would be winning games 2-1 or 3-2

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Still have mixed feelings about Turris. He quit on the Coyotes. The fact Sens fans are lauding his sound 2 way game is proof Tippett was right.

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10-30-2013, 11:22 AM
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He's been good. Really good. He's doing very well in his current role, and MacArthur has been a perfect complement to him. Keeping Ryan on that line allows it to also be an offensive force and one of the best, if not the best, 2nd lines in the league.

Zibanejad played less time than Smith last year so I don't know why people are saying they miss when he was the #2 centre. Then again people have been ******** on Smith for the last 2 years so it's not really surprising.

Anyway our forwards are not the issue right now. Our defence has been awful.

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