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Kyle Turris vs James Van Riemsdyk

View Poll Results: Who is the better overall player?
Kyle Turris 49 44.55%
James Van Riemsdyk 61 55.45%
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08-29-2012, 03:09 PM
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Kyle Turris vs James Van Riemsdyk

Who is the better overall player?

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08-29-2012, 03:13 PM
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Hmmmm, good one. I won't vote because if I did it'd be strictly based on personal preference

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Turris right now I'd say.

I'd say Van Riemsdyk will take a number of years more to develop fully, given the traditional developmental arc for power forwards.

That being said, I'd say JVR has the higher potential ceiling.

JVR could end up as the Scott Hartnell/John LeClair 1st liner while Turris will likely peak as a 2nd liner.

But who knows? Next year might be interesting with both guys in new roles with new teams from the get-go. Unfortunately, it might take awhile to find out.

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08-29-2012, 03:16 PM
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I think I'd rather have Turris at this juncture, but I think both have high ceilings.

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Turris right now I'd say.

I'd say Van Riemsdyk's will take a number of years more to develop fully, given the traditional development arc for power forwards.

That being said, I'd say JVR has the higher potential ceiling.

JVR could end up as the Scott Hartnell/John LeClair 1st liner while Turris will likely peak as a 2nd liner.

But who knows? Next year might be interesting with both guys in new roles with new teams from the get-go. Unfortunately, it might take awhile to find out.
There's a pretty big difference in those two.

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I think I'd rather have Turris at this juncture, but I think both have high ceilings.
Cause he's a centre?

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08-29-2012, 03:29 PM
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Cause he's a centre?
They've both accomplished about the same things in their career. Based on that, I'd say it's pretty much personal preference at this point.

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08-29-2012, 03:41 PM
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I'll take Turris at the moment. Reasoning is as follows.

1. Turris is a center.
2. Turris is, in my opinion, the better defensive player
3. Turris has the better excuse as to why his production over his career is not more closely tied to his talent level. Neither player has gotten much ice-time but I reckon it's easier to produce with the Flyers than the Coyotes assuming everything else is equal. The hill Turris had to climb was steeper, in my opinion.

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There's a pretty big difference in those two.
There's a range of power forwards. Some on the sniper side, some more on the crease-crashing side.

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08-29-2012, 03:50 PM
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Give me Turris here.

I see him being one of the better 2nd line centers in the league down the road.

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Cause he's a centre?
That, better contract, in a great opportunity to succeed learning behind Spezza/getting a good number of minutes on the second line.

I've also been a Turris fan since he got traded to the Sens...blasphemy I know.

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08-29-2012, 03:55 PM
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James van Riemsdyk.

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08-29-2012, 04:23 PM
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Wow..could have sworn JvR won this poll when he was a Flyer

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That, better contract, in a great opportunity to succeed learning behind Spezza/getting a good number of minutes on the second line.

I've also been a Turris fan since he got traded to the Sens...blasphemy I know.
Better contract?

Career high of 29 points awarded a 3.5M contract over 5 years.

JvR's numbers are better, was awarded 6x4.25 after the great playoffs he had, especially against the Bruins.

I'd say their contracts are just about dead even at the moment.

If they progress from here on...it's a steal, if not it's overpayment.

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Wow..could have sworn JvR won this poll when he was a Flyer
Leaf overrating even permeates the past?

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Leaf overrating even permeates the past?
JvR has been better in the NHL than Turris has... it's fact. Better "overall" player? He isn't exactly what you would call a defensive center. I can assure you that he wasn't extended for 5 years at 3.5M because of his defense, it is because Ottawa feels that he can step up his offense and take the next step.

You can go and look back at polls, I'm sure you will find JvR winning most before he was traded to the Leafs.

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JvR has been better in the NHL than Turris has... it's fact. Better "overall" player? He isn't exactly what you would call a defensive center. I can assure you that he wasn't extended for 5 years at 3.5M because of his defense, it is because Ottawa feels that he can step up his offense and take the next step.

You can go and look back at polls, I'm sure you will find JvR winning most before he was traded to the Leafs.
Honestly, this just goes to show that you really don't know anything about Kyle Turris.

He was by far the best defensive center on our team and his defensive play was MUCH better than his offensive play.

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I'm gonna go with Turris though I like both. The best I've seen from these players has been better from Turris. I also saw Turris perform well for a longer stretch, with JVR it was just a series and a half in the 2011 playoffs and I didn't see it last season (it was interrupted but still).

The other issue here is that I question JVR's consistency while Turris once he was put in a position to succeed didn't have issues with consistency.

This mixed in with the fact that Turris learned to play a two-way game to some extent in Phx (though I think it actually hurt his offensive potential) leads me to believe that Turris will be a better centre assuming JVR is used as a centre. JVR's effective with his speed coming in off the wing though but I still take KT.

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JvR has been better in the NHL than Turris has... it's fact.

You can go and look back at polls, I'm sure you will find JvR winning most before he was traded to the Leafs.
Of course he has.

Van Riemsdyk was putting up points with the powerful Flyers team while Turris was toiling miserably on the Coyotes.

Since then, van Riemsdyk has been concussed and deemed expendable by the Flyers and Turris has found himself with Daniel Alfredsson on his line.

It's not as if time is frozen. Circumstances have changed.

I for one, wouldn't be surprised if JVR pulls it out. As of right now though, I'd go with Turris as the more favourable option for this upcoming season.

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He isn't exactly what you would call a defensive center. I can assure you that he wasn't extended for 5 years at 3.5M because of his defense, it is because Ottawa feels that he can step up his offense and take the next step.
Turris actually faced the highest quality of opposition of any forward on the Senators.

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You can go and look back at polls, I'm sure you will find JvR winning most before he was traded to the Leafs.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1216997 , just funny it wasn't long ago. Give it some time, maybe the result will change.

I suppose JVR has better potential and still good chance of realizing it. We know what we are getting with Turris so that's why I prefer him, but if I had neither player, it could be JVR.

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Meh, both guys have yet to live up to their draft positions.

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JvR has been better in the NHL than Turris has... it's fact. Better "overall" player? He isn't exactly what you would call a defensive center. I can assure you that he wasn't extended for 5 years at 3.5M because of his defense, it is because Ottawa feels that he can step up his offense and take the next step.

You can go and look back at polls, I'm sure you will find JvR winning most before he was traded to the Leafs.
I think you're talking about this poll.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1216997

Wasn't even that long ago.

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The one two posts ago, yes.

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The one two posts ago, yes.
Thanks for pointing that out, such a gentleman.

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